Daily DLP: Talking RBs then and now ahead of OTAs – Detroit Lions Podcast

On Wednesday, May 27, the Detroit Lions Podcast Daily opened with a quick curveball. Michael Grey recalled being at Cleveland Stadium the night Jose Canseco took a home run off his head. Then it was straight to the Detroit Lions and the NFL’s running back puzzles at OTAs.

Gibbs locked in as RB1

Jameer Gibbs is RB1. No debate. Expect more work than he saw down the stretch last season. The staff cut the RB2 load late in the year to about 10 to 12 touches. That let Gibbs tilt the field. It could be even more pronounced now.

If you care about fantasy, Gibbs belongs at the top tier. The conversation is Gibbs or Bijan for the first running back off the board. That is where this usage is pointing.

RB2 picture: Pacheco’s role and a Vaki push

The Lions signed Isaiah Pacheco to take the late-season David Montgomery assignment. Between the tackles. Third and three. Move the chains. It is not 15 to 20 touches. It is 10 to 12 and hard yards. That is the brief.

Will someone push him? Keep an eye on Vaki. He has been the fourth back because he is invaluable on special teams. This is his third season playing running back exclusively. At Utah he was a safety who ran well when handed the ball. Now the question is simple. Can he take on more on offense and still deliver on teams?

Depth, roster math, and OTAs notes

Craig Reynolds, the best RB3 in football by last season’s standard, is no longer in Detroit. That opens real snaps for hungry backs. Jacob Sailors is in the mix. So are holdovers Kai Robicheaux and Jabari Small. Both flashed last summer. Robicheaux did before he got hurt. Small had moments in camp.

How many backs make it? Three or four. Recent history says four, with Vaki as the fourth because of special teams. But the staff could keep three on the 53 and flex a practice squad back on game weeks. OTAs will start to sort it out.

Media availability does not open until Friday. Grey will not be on site this week due to the commute. The depth chart jockeying will still matter. Short yardage. Pass protection. Special teams. Those jobs decide RB3 and RB4 in June, not just big runs in August.

One final note on a familiar face. David Montgomery looks good in Houston. The first thing mentioned down there is his feet. Quick and clean. That matches what Detroit saw when he carried the late-season load. Now the Lions move forward with Gibbs atop the room and Pacheco slotted for the bruising work. The rest will be won on the margins.

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Full episode transcript

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. Jefferson here with your daily DLP. It is Wednesday. Hard to keep track of the days when, you get the holiday in there, but it's Wednesday, May 27. Welcome to the Daily DLP. We're talking about running backs today. Running backs for Detroit, running backs who used to be in Detroit, and running backs who may not be running against Detroit anymore. We'll see. Before we get into that, I wanted to share something. It was pointed out to me yesterday, by a a guy who's now known me online for a very long time. Hi, Mitchell. Stud. Professional comedian, Mitchell Clemons. Check him out. He's funny. Good good storyteller. But we have known each other for a very long time, and he pointed out that yesterday was the anniversary of a day where I got to experience something very special. I was at the game in Cleveland Stadium where the ball bounced off Jose Canseco's head for a home run. Was there with several of my former Cedar Point colleagues. We we we met up for a reunion that day. We were sitting in left field, like, right by the foul pole. Happened in, like, right center. We couldn't see that it happened. We're like, what what what's going on? Like, we didn't and they didn't have a they didn't have a replay booth or or screen at the time. Didn't actually see what happened. We heard about it, but didn't actually see it until we got back home and watched sports center that night. But that is, one of my sporting claim to fame. So I've been at three very significant sporting events over time where where weird things happen. That's one of them. And I thought I'd share that and ask you guys if you've ever been to a sporting event where something significant or weird happened, because that one stands out. I was one of I think there was an announced crowd of 7,700 that day, and I was one of them. I do, in fact, still have my tickets sub from that day too where the Indians then known as the Indians play the Rangers. Used to go to a lot of games back then. By the way, everybody that I was with that day was from the Detroit area and Tigers fans. We just went to see baseball and drink and have fun. So that's what you do. Even even when the Tigers are bad like they are now, you still have fun in the game. Still fun to go. Anyhow, back to the running backs. OTAs fire up. We are not media present at them until Friday. I will not be there on Friday. I can't make it this week, unfortunately. Life intervenes. It is a long drive over there, and I just can't make that kind of a commute. So, well, one of the things that I'm gonna be looking at this week is the running backs and the pecking order for the running backs. Look. We know Jameer Gibbs, RB one. No question about it. We know they signed Isaiah Pacheco to fill the end of season David Montgomery role, which was 10 to 12 touches a game instead of 15 to 18 to 20 touches a game. Between the tackles, you know, get get me four yards on third and three. That was sort of the assignment for David Montgomery towards the end of the season. They scaled back the RB two role in Detroit, and I don't think that's gonna change at all. In fact, I think that might get exacerbated. I think you might see Gibbs get more work, even than he did towards down the stretch last year. If you are a fantasy football player, we do have something fantasy related coming up here in a second. He's gotta be your top it's either him or Bijan as your top running back that you take this year. I'm not a fantasy guy. I'm sure Chris will have fantasy football stuff going on at the at the Detroit Lions podcast later on. You'll get information on that. But there are actually people that draft Fantasy Football now. I I I don't get that. But how much work does Sione Vaki get as RB two with the second team offense? Something we're gonna hope to look at and see. Does he get any? Because, remember, for the last three years, it was Jameer Gibbs, David Montgomery, and Craig Reynolds. That was the threesome, and they were good. I I still maintain that Craig Reynolds was the best RB three in football. He's fortunately no longer in Detroit. And that role that's that's one of the thankless things that happens when you are RB three. So you're eminently disposable and replaceable. It's just not a a position that needs a lot of emphasis on most teams. But the Lions still do have competition there. I wonder how much Pacheco is gonna be handed handed the RB two role, or will Vaki push him? Will the lions make Vaki push him? What about Jacob Sailors? What about the guys who were holdover from last year, you know, that that came from the UFL? Kai Robicheaux, Jabari Small. They're still here. Both of those guys showed something last summer. Robichaud before he got hurt. Small had his moments in camp. He he really did. So I'm curious to see how this shakes out. Will the lions keep three or four? One One of the things that we look forward to, you know, as we spin it forward is, you know, do they keep four running backs on the active roster? Do they only keep three and have a flex practice squad guy? In the past, it's tended to be four, But Vaki was the fourth, and he was number four because he plays special teams and because he's invaluable on special teams. I wonder if he's gonna get a chance to do more in offense this year and if he can handle doing more in offense this year. This is his third season now where he's played running back exclusively. Remember at Utah? He was a safety, and they're like, well, he's pretty good with the ball in his hands. Let's see if he can run. And he did pretty well as a running back there too and very limited duty. So I'm curious as to how that's gonna shake out. Ask for David Montgomery.

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Speaker 1: Looks good in Houston. Talked to a couple of Houston people this week. They're like, his feet are so good. That's first thing that stands out for them was his feet. I want to bring something up, though. This is from, Kyle Kyle m in Fantasy Football. Again, I'm not a fantasy guy. I don't know I don't know bleep from bleep in Fantasy Football. It's not my not my realm. But couple of interesting stats that he posts here about David Montgomery from a fantasy standpoint, but it relates directly to the lions. I'm gonna look over the first part here, but, David Montgomery moved from a team with the seventh best run blocking offensive line to the fourth worst. Now, again, that was last year's lines. Even as relatively bad as we thought that the Lions offensive line was last year, they were still seventh best in run blocking. Hello, Penay. Hello, Saint Routledge. Actually, hello, Taylor Decker. Dale Decker did decent there. How that shakes out this year? Will the Lions be the seventh best run blocking offensive line in football? They'd better be they'd better be better than that, quite frankly. I think Cade Mays is a is an upgrade there. Graham Glasgow wasn't getting it done. Mahogany was spotty, better early than late. The other guys that they put in just didn't didn't seal well. And the sections should be better than the fourth worst. They've quietly done some things there. But to put put put that in the greater perspective, Juice Scruggs was their second best run blocking offensive lineman in Houston last year as a starter. He might not make this team in Detroit. You know, we like to we like to talk about the anxiety that we have over the offensive line and how it pertains to the running game and the passing game for that matter. But we have been spoiled, and I hope that we can stay spoiled because I like it that way. But the other things here, the, the yards before contact per attempt. Montgomery got 2.08 yards before contact per attempt in 2025. Houston running backs, you know, the Woody Marks, kinda blanking Nick Chubb at all, averaged 1.27. So the lions are getting almost, like, three quarters of a yard more running backs are. The lions running backs are getting almost close to a yard more before they get touched by a defender than what Houston's did. Now Montgomery, and this is where this is where the people who are David Montgomery sycophants are gonna have to take a little medicine. Might be a little bitter. I'm just gonna read this from Kyle. To make matters worse, Montgomery was one of the worst running backs in the league when seeing between one point o and 2.5 yards before contact. Yards per carry, 2.94 in those specific situations. That's dead last in the NFL. Zero point zero, the Bluto GPA explosive run rate. You can't get worse than that, so, of course, it's last. 44.2% success rate. They don't define what success rate is. Generally speaking, that is, picking up four yards on first or second down. It depends on, like, the third down. Like, if if it's third and two and you pick up two, it's a success. If you get one, it's not. I don't know their exact parameters on that. I probably should look that up. My bad. But that was twenty fourth, and missed tackles forced per attempt. Barely a blip. Twenty fourth as well. If you wanna know why the Lions, among other reasons, got rid of David Montgomery, That's it. This is a team that is designed in the run game to block yards and then have the running backs work off that. That's where Jameer Gibbs is so spectacular. It's actually where Isaiah Pacheco has been decent when he's been healthy in his career is he gets hit, but if he goes forward, he can make that first guy pay for tackling him. Money wasn't getting that done last year. I think we all saw that on film a little bit. Like, this will forever be a David Montgomery fan. I was a fan of him coming out of Iowa State. Still liked it when he was with the Bears, but it was time, and that gives a little context for it. I wanna see Pacheco or Vaki or Sailors or one of the other guys improve upon those numbers specifically. And now we get to I hate talking about this crap. I really do. But we need to talk about it because it's a serious issue, and that is what's happening with Josh Jacobs in Packers running back in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: And I we got the police report here from Hobart Lawrence Police Department in Hobart, Wisconsin. And I'm just gonna read this for those of you who are, doing the audio only. My friend, Jeff, who I saw this week. Hi, Jeff. Don't crash your car. Love you, buddy. It was fun playing with you. Got out and played some beach volleyball this week. It's been revitalizing. For immediate release, on 05/23/2026 at approximately 08:37AM, the Hobart Lawrence Police Department was dispatched to a disturbance complaint involving Josh Jacobs. 08:37AM. As a result of the investigation, Josh Jacobs was subsequently arrested on 05/26/2026 and booked into the Brown County Jail on the following charges, and these are not fun to read. Battery domestic abuse, criminal damage to property domestic abuse, disorderly conduct domestic abuse, strangulation and suffocation, intimidation of a victim. This remains an active and ongoing investigation. No further information will be released at this time. That is from chief Michael Rehnkes from the Hobart Lawrence Police Department. Freaking hate this stuff. I really do. We talked about it in the Slack a bit last night. This reminds me of when Frank Clark got expelled from the Michigan football team. That happened, by the way, and, in my the place of my birth, Sandusky, Ohio, my cousin was the prosecuting attorney in that one as an incident. So I know the details on that one. I will I will say Frank Clark did not start that, but he finished it in a way that shouldn't ever be done to a woman or a child. There's echoes of Greg Hardy here. I remember when Greg Hardy, about twelve years ago, played for the Carolina Panthers. And the story that came out and has been largely validated over time, nobody's ever refuted it and I've heard it from several different places, was that he choke slammed his girlfriend onto a bed that had two loaded weapons on it. And that's not how you want things to go. We don't know the exact nature of what was going on with Josh Jacobs here if it was anything that serious, but this is bad. This is cut your ass, get him out type bad. If a lion did this, if Jack Campbell did this, I don't care that we just sign him to a new contract. He's gone. Get rid of his ass. There's no place for this. Playing in the NFL is a privilege. You sacrifice that privilege when you do these things. The packers need to suspend him while this while this process is ongoing. If he turns out to be exonerated, okay. He's back. He's fine. Like, that's but you can't have somebody on your team doing this. He gets convicted. He needs to be done. I'm not saying that because, again, if Jack Campbell did this. I don't care that you signed $81,000,000 and the Lions would have to eat that. Gone. Get the hell out. Now I don't think that Jack Campbell would do that. I don't think anybody on this lions team. I think the lions have done a pretty good job of assessing character. I really do. Don't wanna hear things like this. It's it's a stain on the NFL, stain on the Packers. Hope that everything turns out okay in this. But, but if he's guilty of what he's accused of here, and that's a pretty lit long litany list here, He doesn't need to be in the NFL anymore. Unfortunately, one of the things that I've learned over the years in covering the NFL is we do have to cover crap like this, and it does come up from time to time, and it's always awful. There's no place in this world for domestic abuse. None. If you're a victim of domestic abuse, seek help. Speak out. Please do it. We'll keep tabs on that and how it goes. And, again, if anything happens with the Lions, anything close to that, I know some of you were the alarm bells are going off about Terry Arnold and the situation he's involved in. The understanding that we've gotten is that there's not much there, and he wasn't directly involved. He might have been indirectly involved in something, but we don't even know that. But this is this is much different. Much different. No place for it. And I am proud that the Lions, to this point, haven't really had any issues with that since since Sheila took over. She's no nonsense like that. She won't put up with this crap, nor should she.

Speaker 3: Hate to end on a

Speaker 1: negative note like that. God. Again, I do wanna know, like, if you were at any famous game or, like, if you were at the Rainey Johnson Seagull game or if you were one of the people that was with me in the horseshoe forty years ago when Keith Byers ran out of his shoe, I was at that game too. That's one of the other ones famous ones that I was at. Let me know.

Speaker 3: Put it in the comments. Put it

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