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Speaker 3: Hey. Howdy ho, Lions fans. Welcome to the Detroit Lions podcast. This is episode six zero five, I think. This is the mid March media round table. We've got Jeff the Riz Rizden and Scott the man. Bischoff together today to start talking about lions, what's going on, what's happened, and what will happen. And we're gonna start getting amped up about some of these mock drafts and other fun. So, boys, how you doing?

Speaker 4: We're great. Yeah. You're rock and roll.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Alright. Well, let's get right into it. Let's talk about it. Let's why don't we start out with free agency? Because there's been a lot that's happened since at least since I've done a show. Riz is doing them all the time, so it's whatever. And, Bish, you're so good about the the weekly stuff with Russ. But let's talk about what's happened in free agency. We've had, what, ten days of action just had a signing just now. There there's a lot to talk about. So let me, Bish, let me give you the mic to start with. Let's talk about some of the guys we've picked up, and then, we can hand to Rizzy to to to round it out.

Speaker 1: Well, I it's Cade Mays. I mean, I I think that's sorta that's been the the prize for the Lions. Anybody paying attention to what the Lions needed coming into this offseason, center was probably at the top of that list. Like, you know, you know, maybe maybe top one or two needs. Jeff, I don't know what you think. I'm I'm curious. I see Mays is being better in pass pro. I know as a as a center, it's a little weird, but he's better in pass pro than I think he is as, like, as a straight up mauler. I don't think that's his game, But looking at at the way Jared Goff sees the game and the things that make him comfortable and uncomfortable, I think Mays is a really good player in terms of you're not gonna have to deal with immediate pressure in your face. So Definitely. You know, big picture, really good stuff for for the lions, and the contract is is nice too for Cade Mays.

Speaker 4: Contract's very good for a starting center with experience. The only thing I I I actually like it with upside because this is a guy who, in four years in Carolina, played for three different offensive coordinators with three separate blocking schemes. Like, that doesn't get talked up enough. He went from from what he's gonna run-in Detroit, basically, his first year, and, by the way, he played guard then, to outside zone, to much more of a read and react type thing. He's never really been asked to be aggressive while at center. I think it's gonna suit him very well. Just to to further the point, he is the only player the lines have signed to a multiyear contract Yeah. Which indicates that he is he is their starting center, and he is their long term plan. All the other guys are much more on a we have immediate needs for depth, and, hopefully, they can outplay and and make themselves stick around longer if they need to. But there's nothing really a lot invested. And, you know, I talked about it the other day on the daily. Scott, I know you agree with this. The avoidance of bad contracts is critical, and they've done a masterful job at that. Yep. Some would say too cautiously, but, again, not signing bad deals. I it's wonderful to me. It really is.

Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of the key. Right? You just avoid the pothole that that is self induced. Like, you draft a player and things happen. But we are you know, like, teams have some ideas of what these guys are as NFL players. It's a good point. You know, the idea of of all these one year deals, but, you know, I'd rather I'd rather them signed a player in in a younger player in the short term with some upside than a than a an older guy who you who you'd say, well, if things go really bad, we can rely on on him. You know, like, I I like what they've done. It it just I think it's the perspective of were were you expecting a giant splash and, you know, I wasn't, outside of the center position. So Yeah. I think it's I think they've they've done interesting things. It's it's nice to always to to to clear the road for your draft plans. So I don't think anything they've done, with the exception of Kate Mays, alters anything as far as the draft goes.

Speaker 3: Really quick. I I I do wanna do a a a quick hit on the the comments. Thanks, cyclone and sex. I appreciate the but we have one in the spirit of the presser questions and and constantly trying to remind the press that they ask to ask better questions when they do these things. We have a question here for mister Bischoff. Bish, how do you feel about your favorite ice cream flavor, and why is it not mint chocolate chip?

Speaker 1: So if mint chocolate chip was sitting here in front of me, it would yeah. I'd be totally cool with it. It's I think, Jeff, we were Brown and I were talking about the whole Baskin Robbins concept of they had 31 flavors, and I loved them all, apparently. Right? So yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 4: Quarterback Crunch, baby. That was the shit.

Speaker 1: I love ice cream. It's gonna be the, the undoing of me, but, you know, whatever. Same.

Speaker 3: Undo in the right way. Okay. So we'll get back to it. Riz, what else what else has been going on in our in our, world of free agency in the last

Speaker 4: You know, they signed Larry Borom to be the swing tackle, slash, placeholder right now for starting left tackle. Well, is still out there. I am not a fan, but, like, I get it. $5,000,000 is not a tremendous whatever they're paying him is not a tremendous amount of deal of money. It's not a commitment. He's certainly better than Giovanni Manu. He is better than what Dan Skipper offered last year. Look. We love Skip. I'm glad he's coaching now. I'm glad we don't have to have that conversation. Yeah. And, you know, Borom does have some upside. He's from Detroit. Like, let's let's see what he can do. Juice Scrubs is kinda the same way that they got in the the demo trade.

Speaker 1: Do you think Boro is a right tackle or a left tackle? What do you think?

Speaker 4: Good question. I just know that at right tackle last year at the joint practices with the Dolphins, he was the man directly responsible for the Hutch rule, where they were blowing plays dead because Aidan Hutchinson was beating him before he even moved out of his stance. And that's very difficult for me to get over. And maybe that and that that's probably a Jeff Risen problem more than it's a lion's problem, but it is. Like, I can't shake that. I can't I can't unsee it. And I that no. I don't think they're done at offensive tackle, yeah, at all. It wouldn't surprise me if they drafted two of them. So, like, I'm not I'm not gonna stress that until after April what is it? Twenty fifth, I think, is when the draft is done. Yeah. If they come out of that draft with no offensive tackles, that's when I'll start worrying about Larry Borom being able to to start because he until then, he's he's not

Speaker 1: Yeah. It's they've signed.

Speaker 4: I I loved

Speaker 1: Go ahead.

Speaker 4: I love the signings that they did last Friday where they they brought in a safety who I you know, I I'm very bullish on what they did getting, Tyler Conklin coming in. I think he is an upgrade at tight tight end three. I think he can be tight end too. I love I love his gamesmanship, man. The guy he he was a prime target on some really bad offenses, and I think that that volume he got 87 targets three years in a row. This guy can play. He can block. I I like the fact that they upgraded the tight end room. Now it's a good draft for the tight ends as well. Hopefully, they're not done. But Yeah. I I I like where they're at with that one, especially. And Roger McCreery, my god. Yeah. Slot corner, one year prove it deal for a guy that was a second round pick, has a lot of good, good NFL film, and they got him for El Cheapo, man. That's fantastic signing. Probably my favorite signing so far. And I just like Mays, and I like I like Conquid as well.

Speaker 1: Where's the quarterback room is suddenly loaded. Like Yes. They you know? I think the the the safety they got, Christian Isian, is a really intriguing player, and it might it's it's a touch informative. Perhaps he plays the first, let's say, half of the season as Brian Branch is wandering his way back into the lineup. Because I think that's kinda his role as a a bit of a, you know, an in the box kind of player who can do a bunch of things. I thought he was a very interesting player. I think Pacheco's interesting even though there are there are components around the the way he runs and his vision where you go, I don't know. But I think,

Speaker 4: High speed dirt, baby. Yeah.

Speaker 1: I think it's it's interesting because Kansas City ran a lot of stuff out of shotgun, and it's very it's a very different thing to run to be a running back with a quarterback under center running power concepts. It's it's just I think a lot of the Kansas City stuff was was him trying to read, and react to the things that were developing in front of him. And I don't, you know, I don't think anybody would would talk about the the Chiefs offensive blind blind being this dominant unit. So They're bad. Quarterbacks under center, I, you know, I think Pacheco comes here, and he's an interesting he's an interesting fit behind Gibbs. And maybe he can get a little bit more going from a scheme standpoint that might fit him better than than the way Kansas City approached you know, what their approach was to running the ball. So he was an interesting one. Let's see. I think they have at this point, between DJ Wonnum and Peyton Turner today, can we, I wonder can we get a consensus on are those is that like edge three and four with Hassani being five, and you still have a need for edge two?

Speaker 4: Yes. A 100%. And I think I think Hassan Inc can challenge to be four. I hope he can. Yeah. Wadham Wadham's a fun one. He's got again, former starter, power to speed, sets an edge, plays the run very well. He's a guy who can create secondary pressure, doesn't get it quickly. That's Yeah. Crushed the can. We were talking about it just before moving on the air. And then Peyton Turner, I don't even know if you can call him four. He's look. He's a flyer. Yes. Former first round pick has been hurt his entire career going back to his days at the University of Houston where he, missed time quite a bit of time, actually, with with a foot issue. He missed a couple games due to COVID. Like, he's battled it. Missed all of 2025 with a rib injury. He's had a turf toe injury that kept him out for most of two seasons. He's had a shoulder issue. He has had a foot issue that's lingered. Like, he's played 31 games in the NFL since being drafted in 2021. I'm gonna assume I haven't seen the contract yet, that this is a vet min deal, and this is it's not even Marcus Davenport. This is like Natane Muti or Emmanuel Mosley, where they're signing a guy who has, like, has very real NFL potential if he can ever stay on the field.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe some incentives.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. And that's the way Moody was, you know, coming in as a guard. And for, like, the first week of training camp in twenty twenty twenty twenty four, he was the best guard on the roster. And then he got hurt again like he always does. Yeah. And I think that's that's the attitude that we need to try and take with Peyton Turner because I'd he might not make the team, and that's it begs the question, and, Chris, I'll review in on this. It almost feels like Brad is like, I'm gonna keep doing it. I don't care what you all say.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I think tell me if you think I'm wrong. But as I keep looking at the big boards and and how the draft is breaking down. Right? You've got two guys in, Keldrick Falk. That's that's kinda like Hawk. And Akeem

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Speaker 3: The door. Right? Who, who are are staring at you at the edge position. I think that he's all in. He's got all his chips on the table. He's gonna grab one of those too, and that's gonna be your edge too kinda situation. And I think that's kinda like when you talk about, well, we got three, four, five on the edge. That's the plan. I think he's he's thinking a lot with that draft. I I also think that this is the most important draft that Brad Holmes has to deal with because of the injuries, because everything else, everything that happens in this draft, these players have to play. They they cannot be off injured. And and if they are, that we've got season number two in a row where expectations will be unmet, and now the seats get really hot. I know we love Dan. I know we love Brad, and you can't help these injuries, but they're every year now. And if this is what's gonna be the undoing, somebody somebody has to come in. They can either account for them or pick the guys that aren't going to be injured. I think it's also going to affect just, you know, a little behind the scenes. How they're dealing with their staff is kind of un unknown other than by the staff, and it's not been great. It's kinda old school Ford mentality back when WCF was there, and there's some some people that aren't super satisfied. Success will fix that. But if we wind up with another year with a bunch of injuries and we can't perform, I I have a feeling you're gonna see guys go to Chicago, to be honest with you. I have a feeling you're gonna lose some of your key talent. And and I know. No. No. I don't want that, Chris. No. We do not. But I'm I'm nervous about that. And that's that's there's so much riding on this draft and this year for this team because, I mean, it was great. I mean, think about these years we've had riding high. And, yeah, we didn't we didn't get the Super Bowl, but almost almost to the championship game. Right? We were we were ten minutes away really of bad play. Right? With a gurney full of players on the field. It it it would be sad. It would really be sad. Now you often see teams like Philly, they came up, made it, didn't get there. Right? And then they got hurt, had a couple years in the sack, and then came back. I don't know if Detroit and its fans or even the coaches have the stomach to wait too long for that. So, I I I took your question, Riz. Sorry. And and when I I think I answered it, but I went a little different different direction with it from there too. What do you think, Bish? Am I talking out my

Speaker 1: No. My my No. I it just I so to me, the the two let's say two and a half glaring needs. Absolutely a tackle, but you can do that a variety of ways. And we've talked about this doing this in the past. Are you moving Penny Sewell over, and does that open the door for for right tackles? And there's more of those. Or are you sitting there at 17 and looking at some of the maybe, there might be two of them, maybe one, who you think are left tackles and will play left tackle in the future? But the question in and around that is, what do they give you in year one? Like, in a in a perfect world, you're drafting a tackle. That's why the Taylor Decker thing was so interesting and good when he decided he was coming back was that he gave he gave a first round tackle some runway. I don't think you have that anymore. I'm not sure there's an appetite to draft somebody and let them develop for a season. So I don't know. I don't think there's a good answer on either side of that. But then you mentioned, like, Kendrick Fulk. And, Jeff, we could probably have, an hour long discussion about him him and his future and what he is now. And I know teams are gonna love him. It's just is he gonna be a two down run stopping end primarily to start? I think so. Is he gonna give you much in the in as a pass rusher early? Probably not. But he's 20. He's six six, and he's super long, and he's two hundred and eighty pounds, and, you know, probably needs to be the first guy off the bus kind

Speaker 4: of thing. Very good football player, just not at the one thing that the Lions really need, which is generating pressure quickly.

Speaker 1: Do you

Speaker 3: think he can do you think he can help generate pressure on the inside with his play on the outside?

Speaker 4: Well, see, that's what he did at Auburn. They they played him inside more, in a in an odd man front. They played a three three five defense, and that required him to not necessarily go gung ho after the quarterback.

Speaker 3: Well and I'm thinking you play him as Edge, and because of his ability with the run stop and and so on, that they're gonna be all over him and maybe free up some of the guys in the middle to get pressure up the up the middle. And and maybe it's not so much crush the can, punch in the nose. Right?

Speaker 4: Nice. That would that that certainly works. Like, I I definitely see the the NFL vision with him, and my sincere hope is that he is drafted before the Lions come on the clock, and that could very well happen. Alright. Because I

Speaker 1: I have to

Speaker 4: I don't want them agonizing over it in Allen Park.

Speaker 1: Lockstep. I yeah. That it would be wonderful to make it happen.

Speaker 4: Like the player, but, man, I would prefer if he wasn't an option. You know what I mean? Like, nothing against him at all. Right. I just want something different. So then you

Speaker 1: met Chris, you mentioned Messador. Right. And Messador is gonna be 25 before

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Speaker 1: Before the season starts. And I know that the age is a thing, but I think he comes in ready to roll. As far as the pass rush bag, I think he's got a lot of really intriguing stuff he does. He's got good hands. He's, he's he's got a hot motor. It's not just pass rush with him. He's a really good run defender too. He's smart. He's got really good instincts. It's just you look at a player who's gonna be a little older. I'd personally, I think if you play him for five years and and you just at that point, it's like, you know, alright. We're gonna move on. I think it's that's not that's not a terrible situation for for this Lions group to be in, and he will help you more in year one than a lot of the edge players that are out there right now.

Speaker 3: Which I think is is so important. And and I'm I'm hyper focused on edge because I think that's what's gonna help solve the secondary problems that we continue to have with injury and and ongoing injuries right now. I mean, I look at the edge class here and TJ Parker, it's a reach if you think about him. And there I don't think there's any way David Bailey or Ruin Bain are gonna are gonna fall to you. Right? I I think your selection is really, really limited. So and, again, this is this is the Chris draft thinking that edge is your primary need that can give you the most bang for your buck.

Speaker 1: And Chris, are you insinuating because I think I'm hearing this, and I might be high, but we'll see. Are you insinuating that that the left tackle there might be a left tackle coming back to the lions at some point to who who currently might be a free agent and might have played for them in the past, maybe? I You're talking like tackle's not that important, and I guess

Speaker 3: you wanna know something. Do we know? No. No. No. No. I no. I I no. I wish. I wish. So in this case, I I would love some of what you're smoking.

Speaker 1: Alright.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't see him coming back. You know what I mean? I just I just don't. I'm I'm I think he really did it the honorable way compared to and and, you know, Ragnar was fantastic for this team. He was a great player. He gave it all. I don't wanna undercut him. But how he left was really a shit job. It was kinda like like when Barry left. Right? It just left us with our dicks in our hands. I I so Decker gets a ton of credit for the way he did it. I just don't see him as a I'm doing it now. I'm coming back kinda guy. You know? I think Penay goes over. I really do. I think that that's what the play is. I don't have any information on that. It's pure speculation. But I think Pena goes to the left side. It's where he played before. He filled in there when Decker was out for a couple games. He did a great job. I just think and I know they they absolutely I mean, everyone knows. They love him. They absolutely love him and know he can handle it. So I think right tackle is where they're gonna where they're gonna start finding the kinda scramble to find the guys. And it's it's important, but not as much so. Right? And, you know, you're kinda flipping the script with him on the left side. All of a sudden, you can start running left now where they weren't able to do that as much before. So I think edge fixes the like, so, yes, the tackle, left tackle, or right tackle, depending, fixes the offense a lot. Right? That's the gap. But the entire defense, you have a lot of holes, right, with the secondary and all the injuries and more to come, I'm sure. You get another edge in there against across from Hutch. You get the pressure. Now your secondary doesn't have to cover for fifteen freaking seconds. Right? It's like second you better throw the ball and make it because you're gonna be under intense pressure from from those edges. I think that's the way to make up for your your your holes in the secondary with a single player. That's why I'm so focused on that. I could be like, again, I could be high, and maybe I do have a a some ambitious supply over here. But that's just that's just where I'm thinking about how I'm thinking about it. Right? And really quick before we go on, I just wanna say thank you to, Aaron Pfeiffer. He's been a member of the channel for twenty months. He's an OG member, when we started that whole thing. So thank you, big guy, and for the super chat as well.

Speaker 4: Scott, let me let me push this on you because Oh. We are we are draft nerds. If you go edge in the first round and offensive tackle in the second round, are you getting a caliber of offensive tackle that is commensurate with the edge talent that you do if you flip it, where you would take the, offensive tackle first and the edge in the second?

Speaker 1: It depends on I suppose it would depend on which edge they took in in the first round. If it's Fulk, then I think I would if it's if you're saying they're they're taking Keldrick Fulk in the first round and startable right tackle in round two. I would prefer taking startable tackle who might be able to play the left side in round one. And in that regard, I'm talking, like, Max Ahi in the chore. Yeah. A player like a really athletic player who has some upside still.

Speaker 4: Anno, somebody like that.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And it you know, those guys all they're all gonna come with their with their flaws and the things that they they're gonna struggle with. But I'd almost rather do it that way than and then taking in round two thinking, is there a is there a Danny Dennis Sutton there? Is does TJ Parker fall to 50?

Speaker 4: Is it The lions are gonna love Danny Dennis Sutton, especially after his pro day display.

Speaker 1: Yeah. They're gonna love him. Gabe Yacost from from Illinois.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Players like that. I I would think Malachi Lawrence, Derek Moore for that matter. Guys like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: I think Lawrence is getting steamed up, and people are talking about him going in in round one. But, but if you're saying it's Messador in round one, then I'm gonna say go that way. Right? Because I think his I think his ability to impact the game is greater than clearly greater than Faulk's in year one, but also maybe more impactful than any tackle they could take outside of, you know, somebody who they might be able to just say, you're gonna play left tackle for us. You know? You're the the future is for you to play left tackle. Again, I'm getting hung up on the concept of them getting getting a left tackle and keeping Penny Sulo on the right side, but I don't think it really matters to any of us. However, they wanna make it work. If it works, it's fine. Right? So but but your your o the options open up as far as right tackles go. I don't know if I've answered your question, but but I definitely have Yeah.

Speaker 4: You did. Okay. Thank you for that. I I'm in agreeance with you, except I I'm gonna late lean with Chris on this. If Keldrick Volk is there at 17, I it's really difficult for me to see the lions passing on him no matter who else is there at any position because he is just so perfect for what he is the absolute embodiment of what this Detroit Lions regime wants in a football player and in football character. And I'd Yeah. He would not be my personal pick, but I wouldn't I I, again, I wouldn't hate it. I I I like the player. Yeah. I just wish I liked him a little bit more. You know?

Speaker 1: Yeah. If you knew that he was gonna find some some pass rush, you would say, yeah. That's great. I mean, the Auburn the way they do stuff is so he played he played a lot of four eye

Speaker 4: Yes. He did.

Speaker 1: Which is yeah. On the inside tackle of of on inside shoulder of the tackle. And their first step and Georgia does this stuff too. The first step of the edge players is to step inside to the b gap. Yep. And it's like, that's tough if you you know, looking at him from, from your pure, pass rush standpoint, it's tough to project that out because he's put in a situation where you gotta deal with guards. And and then if you wanna if you do wanna win outside, you've gotta run through the entire width of the of the tackle. It's just it's not necessarily the easiest way to to to deploy an edge player, but I understand why they do it. Jeff, you mentioned it. They run, like, the the three three five defense, and they just ask their three defensive linemen to chew up the five offensive linemen, and everybody else just runs. So is there a chance that Faulk looks different as he as he progresses in the NFL over time? Yeah. And, Jeff, I'm with you. I don't hate him as a player. I just I worry that his his impact as a three down player isn't necessarily you know?

Speaker 3: And that's what we need that's what we need right now.

Speaker 4: Yep. We do need that right now.

Speaker 1: Him busting, though. Like, is he gonna be you know what I mean? Like, he's 20, and he's huge, and he can move, and he's and he is athletic. I don't love his first step at all. I think that's one of his problems is he's he's very sluggish, with his first step. So it's tough to see to me. I'm not I don't wanna kill him, but it's, like, it's tough to see him improving with that. Right? Like, I don't know. You know?

Speaker 3: So, yeah. And and it's like, that's a great pick two years ago. Right? Because because now he's paying off. I I'm not sure that that now he's he's the guy you're on.

Speaker 4: I like that context with it because this is a different team now than it was when they were building and when in, like, the 2022 and twenty twenty three drafts, which were spectacular. Like, you you're a different you're focused like, this is this is a team that needs to get over the hump, And those picks got them to the hump, to the top of the hump, but they haven't quite gotten over it yet. And this draft, specifically your first two picks, almost have to be the ones that get you over because we've seen what they are in free agency. I mean, look at the free agents that are left. Taylor Decker is far and away the best tackle left. DJ Reader is far and away the best defensive lineman left. Like, you're not getting more help there. You're just not. Unless you wanna, like, throw money at at the the rotting carcass of Joey Bosa, I don't think this team has any interest in doing that.

Speaker 1: Send send your money and save it and and go get Trent Williams and just pack it up. Right? Wouldn't that be wonderful?

Speaker 4: He's ageless, man. I I think it was Calais Campbell in that role or Cam Jordan too for that matter.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Come ring whore in Detroit.

Speaker 3: Cam, please. Yeah. Cam Jordan. I mean, I think back what was the the fantasy football show? Oh, god. What was it? It was hilarious. But anyway, they were talking about the Cam Jordan and Jordan Cameron. Right? And and, and that way back in, like, it seems like 2008.

Speaker 4: It was confusing as well because they were on the same team. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Oh, man. Alright. So, really quick, Anthony Berardi Berardi, sorry, with a super check. Gotta hit it. Any more news regarding Valente's big scoop regard regarding Dan and Brad? I'm not buying, especially coming from said host. That said, Anthony, I don't listen to him at all. I I don't pay attention to anything, so I I can't answer that. I I haven't heard it.

Speaker 4: I will just let you know from a radio standpoint, it's sweeps week.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I forgot about that.

Speaker 1: And you know what? Even if there

Speaker 4: I haven't heard it, though.

Speaker 1: Even if there is so I think what he am I wrong in for for there to be the implication that there's tension between Brad and Dan? Is that what

Speaker 3: I have to imagine that's what it is. Right? Because what else could you say about the two of them that would be But,

Speaker 1: like, wouldn't isn't it okay if there is a little bit of tension, a little push pull Yeah. Between them? I would think that there would be. Yeah. Right? They're this is a really impactful year. I would think that they would be, you know, exploring lots of options, and and sometimes you don't see eye to eye on certain things. But

Speaker 3: That's that's an absolutely great insight. I mean, the creative conflict is such an important thing. You know, you you got in the Bay Of Pigs because you had you know, no everybody was afraid to say no or to depart from the the the way, and you wind up with a big problem. Right? You you want that kind of creative tension. You want no. You don't want relationships to fracture. Right?

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 3: But if you allow that kind of conflict and that and and that kind of, conversation, you're only gonna wind up better because of it.

Speaker 1: As long as they stay together, it's like, you know, we all love we all love certain bands. It's a really good thing for them to be creatively different at times. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's how that's how you experience new music and new stuff. You know, they they need to grow. They need to they need to like, and we've talked all of us have talked about them. They they need to look in the mirror and figure some things out. And sometimes, you know, there that can lead to some conversations. I'm not saying that they're that that Valente is right or wrong or whatever, but I don't think it's all that relevant to anything even if it were true.

Speaker 3: Your analogy kinda rings hollow, though, coming from a guy that won't move off of Tool as the best band of all time.

Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3: They're very, very good. I absolutely love them. But I I do too.

Speaker 1: I I say that stuff tongue in cheek. Yeah. I I love all kinds of music. Jeff knows it.

Speaker 3: I know. Yes. I do. I like ringing your bell a little bit. Let me ask you guys another question from the chat, if you don't mind. Sure. Do you think trading back from '17 to the twenties might be a real possibility with a lack of first run wide receivers, 17 there you go. There you

Speaker 4: go. Nope. Nope. Sorry. Because you have to have one specific player that a team's gonna wanna come up for. You tell me who that is in this draft. Yeah. Sure. I got to spend some time yesterday. This will publish at Real GM tomorrow. I just finished writing it before we went on the air. I got to spend some time with a area scout for a a team after a pro day, And I asked him, like, some some just vaguer questions. And I said, tell me tell me your biggest take from this draft. He's like, the player that I can get at 17 is the same dude that I can get at 50. Like, there's no difference in our grades for it. He's not a Lions employee, so I'm gonna guess that most teams are gonna see the draft that way, and we're just gonna wait for the guys to come to us. Now if there's one specific player that a team has to have, sure. You tell me who that guy is in this draft because I don't see him, and I don't think the NFL sees him.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Jeff, I'm with you because I think if if there is a player that that you have to have, you're not waiting for him to get to 17. You know what I mean? Like like Yeah. You're you're gonna go up to 11 or maybe 10 or whatever it is. Yeah. I I you know? They get Caleb Bloomberg there. I'm just Sadiq might be a player. Somebody might come up for, but I don't know if that if that's so much a thing. You know?

Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe

Speaker 1: maybe love for the Lions to trade. This is the silliness. I would love for the lions to trade down six or seven spots, get the guy that they did take it at 17 and and get all, you know, that extra capital. That'd be great. But that's not a hit back. That's not necessarily a a real world thing. You know? That's a different reality, and it's not it's not in this one.

Speaker 3: Let me ask you. There there's there's a good, question in the chat, and I think this is this is a pretty good topic. Maybe we can do a high level run across Pro Day news and what's happened in that space. Riz, do you wanna take that ball and start with it and just talk about because we mentioned it a little bit in passing.

Speaker 4: They've been out and about. I don't think Brad has been to any to my knowledge. And there were there have been a couple Georgia's has taken place. Penn State's has gone. Ole Miss has gone. South Carolina's gone. Michigan's was today. They don't let anybody in there. Western Michigan was yesterday. Michigan State was yesterday.

Speaker 3: I'll just note.

Speaker 4: Wisconsin was a big one. Washington was a big one. And I know that the lines were well repped at both of those, and and as well as Penn State. And just look. It's it's when you're at a pro day from an NFL standpoint, I've learned to gather this from being involved in them for over twenty years now. It's about finding out what other teams are looking at as much as it is we're looking at this player, and we wanna make sure we're there. I I remember, Tom Telesca, who is, the former chargers GM. He he drafted Joey Bosa, among others. One of the tells that he had was if he was interested in a player, he would never show up at their pro day. And Chargers Media picked up on this, and they're like, oh, he was here and here and here and not here, so that means we're taking this guy. And I think the Lions have been really good about avoiding that sort of thing, but they have shown a lot of interest from what I've gathered in the day three running backs and the day three defensive really all over the defense, but specifically the defensive ends, which leads me to believe that they're gonna double up at edge and get somebody in to compete with Peyton Turner, as a d three pick. And there there's been a few of them. I know Mason Reager from, Reiger from Wisconsin is a guy that has definitely ringed their bell. He's got injury issues, so the jokes rank themselves, unfortunately. It's just frustrating that just like like and I I posted this on on Twitter today, her x, whatever you hell you wanna call it, and I probably should've softened it a little bit because it played into the hysteria. But, like, the the Peyton Turner signing, like, it's it's incredibly low risk, but it's also gonna, like you know, stop signing all these injured guys. Like, sign somebody who might be able to play. You know? And that that that's that's the frustrating part. And and draft guys too. Like, you don't need to draft. Look look, Mason Rieger has had five surgeries on his leg because the first surgery he had didn't work. Like, it's not five separate injuries. He had one ACL, and they screwed up the first surgery, so he had to have two corrective surgeries for it. Like and if he again, I said it the other day on the daily. If you watch him, you would never know, never know that he was hurt. Like, it doesn't show at all, but that's in the back of your mind now all the time as a lion's tears because we're preconditioned because so many players have had so many injury problems, and the injuries are the reason why we haven't won a Super Bowl. I absolutely believe that. Yeah. Injuries are the reason why we didn't win the NFC North last year and came in last place instead because they all hit at the same time in the same position group. The secondary was good, good before all four of them got hurt. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And I I I just wish that the Lions front office specifically was more cognizant of that perception. And I I I know they know. I know they know. And the fact that they don't care and appear hell bent on continuing the path that hasn't gotten them over the top. It's frustrating for a lot of fans and frustrating to me, and I know a lot of the a lot of folks feel it. But at the same time, like, I'm not gonna get upset that that they signed patents. Or, like, okay. He might not make it's like, like, he he probably won't make the team. Like,

Speaker 3: that's Yeah.

Speaker 1: It's a total flyer like you said.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: There's a there's a player in Arizona who who is due a whole bunch of money today, and I know the Packers have been tied to him a little bit, but I wondered I've wondered for a little while if the Lions were, and that's Josh Sweat. Yeah. He's due 7 and a I think just under 7 and a quarter million dollars, today. I believe it's today. It was on the tenth day of the twenty twenty six, tenth day of the twenty twenty six year.

Speaker 4: That's today.

Speaker 1: So if I think that's today. Unless I'm

Speaker 4: Either today well, it it can't be tomorrow because they look at business on the weekend.

Speaker 1: So it's today or or Monday depending on whether they count last Wednesday as day one.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 1: But I I don't know that era I mean, so he went to Arizona because of Gannon. Gannon's gone and has and he there's been some speculation that he's asked for a trade. He would be a really nice player to come in here and and and give you a boost right now. And it'd be one of those deals where it's a late round swap is what is what you'd give up. To me, that kind of stuff is, like, super smart to do. Plus, it doesn't unpack you anything on the compensatory stuff at all because it's a trait.

Speaker 4: Josh Sweat and a and a seventh round pick for a sixth or something like that. But probably the Lions higher sixth. That's the sort of deals that you see right now. That's that's and the Lions do have two sixth round picks. We have two fourth round picks.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I have to I have to do a plug for us really quick. On the site, detroylionspodcast.com, on the main menu, there's the NFL draft board, and it is updated, daily, usually. And it's the consensus draft boards from around the media landscape that takes all the different people that, the different media groups and and people, and and they're filtered for being high quality. And consensus builds a consensus board on who's, you know, one, two, three, four, five on down. Great, great resource if if you're interested in tracking where the the zeitgeist is on the different players, who's where, and where your favorite guys land. We'll do more with that. We'll build this out into some other amazing things, like, as next year's draft hits. But right now, it's a great tool for you to go out, see what the world thinks, the media world at least thinks about these players and and where they rank them. Detroitlionspodcast.com, and it's it's on the, NFL draft big board, piece on the menu there. So go ahead and take care of that and have fun playing with that a little bit.

Speaker 4: It's fun to watch how it changes too. Just as an example, Bud Clark, safety TCU, was a guy that everybody was getting in the sixth round in mock projections. And now you're lucky if you get him in the fourth because he's not there a lot. And I saw he's he's I think he's number 89 now in the overall consensus. And two a a month ago, he was in the one seventies. It's it's interesting how people get around to that. Like, TCU is a big school, but it's not like the prominent school. And it's fun to watch those kinds of guys, guys like Caleb Proctor from Southeast Louisiana. The more people like me and Scott start watching them, we're like, oh, he's good. Yeah. I like him. I'm moving him up my board. And I think that's that's where we're we're getting to the end of the evaluation period now. At least I am trying to be, but I don't think you're gonna see these wild fluctuations. And there's there's other dudes in the flight. LT Overton began the process in the thirties. He's, like, number 96 now.

Speaker 1: Yeah. It's about where he should be. Right?

Speaker 4: It's it's still too high for me. Yeah. He's 86

Speaker 1: right now, but Some of the position groups, if you need a safety, this is a great draft to need a safety in.

Speaker 4: Absolutely.

Speaker 1: And that in just about every like, every round, there's multiple options where you go, alright. The split safety stuff is cool. This guy can be he can play, you know, as a deeper safety, but this guy might be a cover one type dude where where he's covering lots of ground. There are guys who could play in the box. It's a great class for safeties. It's a great class for tight ends.

Speaker 3: Mhmm.

Speaker 1: I think the edge class is pretty good. You know? They do. And sneaky good maybe when we get into days late day two, early day three. But the tight end class, interesting. Again, the safety class to me is is where, it there's advantages if you're if you're the lions and you'd find your way into one of these guys. It's good. Makes sense.

Speaker 3: Here we go. However, let's start thinking about, wrapping it up while I'm choking on a a little bit of beer that went the wrong way. What's your what's your big takeaway on where the Lions are right now, Bish? And what do you think their next moves are to get ready for this draft? What are they where how are they gonna prep themselves, and where should they be sticking their nose?

Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think they were just gonna see some more of this kind of stuff, a little bit of prospecting. Can you find can you find something with one of these with with these guys on a one year deal? Can you can you strike gold kind of thing? It seems to be to me, that's where they are. I would love for them to find a a a right tackle. Like, a a player who who could give them some maybe it's not even giving them anything. It's giving giving me some some some, you know, like, alright. We're good. I I just I worry about draft day and walking out of that first night. Let's you know, if they even if they take a player like Messador where I'm like, this is awesome. I'm still very concerned about the tackle position. So I would love for them to find their way into, you know, sort of mitigating one of those positions and then not having to have such a pressing need. But, you know, again, I don't think it's super realistic to think they're gonna do that. You could do it at Edge right now if you wanted to pay Cam Jordan and force him to come here. You could do some of those things, but, I think, you know, again, I think they've done a good job of of getting younger, getting players where there's some you know, you you know, like, I know they're all one year deals, but the players they've brought in can play to a certain level, and you you know that. But, you know, as far as as far as it crossing off needs come you know, in in the draft, I don't know that they've really done that. It's not a terrible thing either. But, you know, they still have they still have huge decisions to make and lots of really important things happening. Maybe more maybe more so right now than they've ever had, this group of of decision makers and coaches. There's so much going on with it whether it's Gibbs contract, Laporta's, health and contract, branches health and contract. What's happening with Kirby Joseph? What are you doing with the tackle position? What are you doing with the edge position? There's a lot there's so much going on that are and they're all high level decisions. None of what they've done in free agencies to me is mitigate any any of that stuff. And that's not a bad thing. It's just that's the reality they're in.

Speaker 3: Yep. Yep. Mister Risen, thoughts?

Speaker 4: I wanna Scott brought up the fact that they got younger, and I think that's getting overlooked a little bit. They've gotten much younger at a couple of key spots. Center. I will say, I think that Cade Mays coming in as the center and acquiring Juice Scruggs, I think they can be can be done with the interior offensive line. Because you do have Mahogany coming back. You've got Tate Rallidge, who's a budding star at right guard. You've got Miles Frazier who, like, who the hell knows what he's going to do? But I love the dude. Like, I yeah. I would but, like, in last year in the consensus mock or the consensus big boards, I was higher on him than anybody. I think he's a tackle, and we should probably consider the fact that he might get into the tackle mix as well, and I'm okay with that. But we don't know what we've got there because he was hurt. Revealing theme, hurt. I hate I hate I freaking hate that that's the that's the storyline everywhere now. And, like, when I do radio spots, like, I I did one the other day in in Houston, like, the the lead question was, you know, who's gonna be healthy? And I'm like, I I can't answer that because

Speaker 3: I don't know.

Speaker 4: Like and that that that's, like, the outside perception now of the Lions is that they're a really good team, but everybody's hurt all the time, and that's what's holding them back.

Speaker 3: It's the inside perception too, though, Riz. I mean, that's what I'm seeing. We we missed the Super Bowl because of injuries. We had a team that absolute I mean, we made it that far on on Yeah.

Speaker 4: Crutches and

Speaker 3: a gurney. Right?

Speaker 4: It's I'm I'm just the fans wear me down on this, and I it it wears me down too. Like, god, man. Like, help yourself, Brad, please. Like, there why why sign Peyton Turner today and not sign him later? Why not wait on Josh Paschal to see if he can get healthy or, you know, just sit like there's a lot of questions that I have about how they're handling things this off season. And, like and it's not really that I'm, like, upset or anything about it. I just I wonder where it's leading, and I haven't had that wonder. Like, I always have seen the vision before. And right now, I don't know if I see where it's heading going into the draft. And and, again, that might be a me problem. Like, I'm I'm less secure because I don't feel like I know as much about what they're going to do or what they and what they've done at this point than I have been in the last few years, and that's, I don't know, human nature. You like to know what's going on. I don't

Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I know. For sure. Yeah. I have to

Speaker 1: take a minute

Speaker 3: I have to take a minute and say, you know, that kind of analysis daily from the Riz on the DLP dailies. You've been killing it, Riz. I appreciate it, man. It's I

Speaker 4: do it for everybody who's watching and and coming. It's it's been it's been a lot of fun. Let's do it.

Speaker 3: Great feedback, man. People love it. I love it. And folks know I haven't been around as much lately because of work. It's been just a a godsend to have Riz doing the dailies. And Bishop Brown, you guys are freaking killing it. You have an analysis like nobody else out there. Great, great stuff every week. And these these guys are basically the ones carrying the channel right now, and I I couldn't appreciate it more. You guys are absolutely fantastic and doing just outstanding job. So thank you guys, and I encourage everyone to to tune in to these fellows. I mean, it's what I do. When I'm on the plane, I finally get to sit down for a little bit and, like like, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna watch five dailies and a Bishop Brown. It's usually how it goes. So, check them out. They're awesome. They are absolute fire. Great stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, Aaron. DLP has been on fire. And it's I'll I'll wholly say it's less Chris is is part of the reason. So there you go. Alright. Any any any last thoughts before we, we wrap this bad boy up, gentlemen?

Speaker 4: Nope. Go, Huskies.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Going to Pittsburgh. I'm gonna check out draft stuff while I'm there too because I'll be there, hopefully, for a few days. We're in the elite eight. We play, Wednesday. I get there Tuesday. Hopefully, I'm there through next weekend too.

Speaker 1: Good luck. I hope it goes well for you. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Mister Bischoff, anyone you would like to cheer for in any of the brackets? No.

Speaker 1: No. Even the Michigan?

Speaker 3: I thought you were a Michigan guy.

Speaker 1: Why? But it's such a you know, it's like it's meaningless at this point because I I don't really have any There's no tie there. Yeah. I hope honestly, I hope Michigan and Michigan State go over a long way. It'd be it'd be great for the state. It'd really do it.

Speaker 3: I wanna see Florida. I'm a go Gators guy. I've always been to Michigan guy my whole life, but the boy is a Florida Gator now, so you have to adopt your Yeah. I wanna see the two number ones go nose to nose. I think that would be fantastic. Yeah. Fun to be torn and just either way, you could be happy and sad at the end of the games. There you go. Alright, everyone. This has been the Detroit Lions podcast. Thank you for tuning in. A lot of great stuff coming. I will say the mock draft season is about upon us. These these round tables are gonna start looking at potentials, what we think, and we'll have the different solid drafts, what we think they would do, what we would do, all kinds of different looks at it. We'll have different rules, trades, all that kind of stuff. We have, kind of this last month before the draft coming up. We wanna give you the coverage, the thinking, some strategy around how to look at it because there's about a million different facets to this diamond. And, with that, we have some pretty fantastic setups on the, on the graphics and and the kind of outlines of how you're gonna be able to see what happens during the real draft and our mock drafts. I think you guys are gonna absolutely love where we're going with it. Some really, really cool stuff far beyond what we've ever done thus far. So great stuff coming. Our I remember, don't forget about us on Patreon. You know, watching the show is important, but the Patreon is is really what helps these guys earn their their crust and then gets these boys paid. So join that Patreon, patreon.com/detroitlions podcast. $5 in gets you access to the Slack. We're about, I'm gonna guess right now, we're about two weeks away from having, a tier of Patreon that gets you ad free on the, audio or the other podcast as well. So that's a a a a fun way to go. Also, follow us on Twitter at Bischoff underscore Scott, at Jeff Rysden, and at DET Lions Podcast to know everything that's going on, when when it's coming, the whole thing. DET Lines Podcast is the clearing house for everything we deliver, but these boys have all kinds of great stuff on the Twitter machine, the x machine, whatever, all the time. Go to Detroit by Go to Detroit. I don't even know who we are. The detroitlionspodcast.com and subscribe to the podcast. That way we could pop into your ear holes automatically. You can see the NFL draft board there. A lot of great stuff. And with that, thank you, gentlemen. Thank you all for tuning in also. We'll be seeing you next time on the Detroit Lions Podcast. No pants. No toasters. No hot tubs and no problems because we are your Detroit Lions and Reddit connection. Thank you all.