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Speaker 1: What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. Live edition, Bish and Brown, Bischoff and Brown, Detroit Lions podcast. We're back. It's, brother, we we made it. Happy Draftsmas. How are you?

Speaker 2: Not we have not made it yet. There True.

Speaker 1: We we could we could be dead tomorrow. That is true.

Speaker 2: There's time. Anything could happen.

Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. But really excited to be here. I know we've talked about doing a live show, live mock drafts. Yeah. It's it's exciting. I mean, tons tons of stuff going on with us, tomorrow and Friday. What what do you got going on for the people? We'll we'll probably hit it at the end of the show again, but, for people tuning in right now, what what's, what's on the agenda for you Thursday, Friday? What's the schedule look like?

Speaker 2: So tomorrow, it's Woodward Sports, and I have no idea what's gonna happen Friday. What about you? What do you got going on?

Speaker 1: Yeah. Tomorrow's WJR Radio with Anthony Bellino, Lomas Brown, from six to 7PM. I think we might stretch it a little bit longer. I don't know. I don't call the shots there. I'm just there to talk. So we'll see what what it is, tomorrow there. But, if we're done, you know, a little bit earlier or before the Lions pick or something, I might hop on here, with Chris and Jeff and and the guys and and kinda touch base a little bit and see what's going on. Then Friday, WJR again. Pretty much same deal. We'll we'll kinda do a a pre reset

Speaker 2: to the board, so

Speaker 3: to speak.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Reset the board type of deal. And then after that, I'll jump off, go over to Fantasy Pros. I'll jump on from, like, picks 35 to 48, somewhere in there. And then I'll jump off and watch the Lions pick, and then I'll probably jump on Detroit Lions podcast again and and probably yap for a little bit. But tons of great stuff, gonna be happening. As far as day three, I don't think I've got anything going on. I've got a coaches meeting at, like, seven in the morning, and then I've got, baseball after that. But I I told my kid, I go, I don't think I'm making that one. I I miss I miss one game a year, and it's normally day three of the draft. So we'll see. But super

Speaker 0: excited.

Speaker 1: Yeah. We felt we felt like we would do an NFL draft q and a for people, and and kinda just talk draft and go through scenarios and and see where people are thinking the lions might go, take any questions you may have, talk a little bit about the rest of the first round as we've done in previous episodes. But, as we get we get ready to go for tomorrow, I mean, a lot of things going on, with tomorrow with, you know, obviously, not not not necessarily a first pick, but that second pick, what it could be with David Bailey, Arvel Reese. I mean, I'm not even gonna I I I already know what your answer's gonna be. Even if I said, hey. What's your pick? You're gonna go, I don't know. I already I I who knows? Right? Nobody knows. Right?

Speaker 2: So it's either either it feels like it's either David Bailey or the Jets have pulled just the, you know, the craziest nonsense around David Bailey for months

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Which just is like, I don't know. But, that one's interesting. Okay. So everybody who's watching knows that we are you and I both are not necessarily, fans of David Bailey's game, his his whole game. While we both recognize I shouldn't speak for you. I recognize he's got super, impressive linear pass rush skills.

Speaker 3: Mhmm.

Speaker 2: Right? And that's that can be very hard to handle for college tackles. It just it you know, I it it there it might be hard at times for NFL guys to handle that that linear get off and all that stuff. But as a run defender, I think he's very he's very lacking. You know? So there's that. Arvel Reese is not necessarily I don't think I mean, he's very obviously not a finished product coming out of Ohio State, but I don't know. Is he a stack linebacker? Is he everybody wants to make him out to be the next Micah Parsons, who's just gonna, turn into a premier edge guy. And I just I don't know. That to me, that's hard to it's just I think it's hard to do. He's two hundred and forty pounds two hundred forty one pounds, whatever he was. He's a great athlete, runs in the four fours, all that stuff.

Speaker 1: Mhmm.

Speaker 2: He shows impressive things when he does when he does rush the passer at times. But to me, he's gotta start as, like, a stacked linebacker.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: And if that's the case, and and then you gotta develop some of the other things you wanted to do, is that really a player you're taking to overall? Is this a No. For the Jets to make this pick? Because there just isn't like, if you're telling me that the Jets go off the board and take make a wild card pick of, like, Mansour Delaine, it makes sense.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: It does. Right? If they take if they take downs at two, it's gonna make sense, but you're not doing that at pick two. So it's just I don't know. What do you think? I mean, I'm You're talking

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I think you're you're you're hitting the nail on the head there. Like, I mean, I I I truly believe it is down to Arvel Reese and and David Bailey. But to your point, like, if they were to come out and go, hey. Caleb Downs is the pick. I would be like, that makes perfect sense to me. But, you know, I if if I had to put my final mock draft in, which I do in the next four hours or it doesn't count, so I have to get it done tonight. But, you know, David Bailey would be the player, Eileen. But, I mean, judging by the way he interviewed today with some of the SNY people and some of the Jets media, it sure made you feel like he had nothing to do with them in the pre draft process outside of a dinner in the combine. So I don't know what to make of it trying to read, and I'm like, I'm trying to read the body language. I'm trying to get a feel. Yeah. But all the signs point to David Bailey. But last year, a lot of signs pointed to Tyler Warren for them, and they ended up with Arman Mambo. And I feel like the the the Jets media was in on Mambo, but the national media was really pushing Tyler Warren Tyler Warren. So I don't know. I mean, I feel like this year, it's pushing David Bailey pushing David Bailey, but it it really might be Arbel Riess. So I I wouldn't be surprised which way they go there. I think it's just gonna be one of those two players, and and and they might not even know until tomorrow when they get on the clock. They might just be like, we're we'll decide this tomorrow. But it's gonna be really, really interesting. And and I think, you know, what it seems like to me is the Jets and the Cardinals are the two teams just trying to get everybody to take the bait. You know what I'm saying? That they're trying to get everybody to get up there, come get an offensive tackle, come get the pass rusher. I don't care. Just get me out of this spot. I don't wanna take these guys. And that might end up happening. I mean, maybe the Cardinals get out of three. If they do, could it be the Chiefs at nine? Could it be the Saints at eight? I know there's been some some thoughts there. Could the Cowboys move up from 12? I don't think so. But it's it's gonna be super interesting on how the rest of the draft goes. You know? And we're not gonna go pick by pick or anything like that tonight. We've we're already seeing, the comments coming in. Shout out to Robo here. Keontay Scott, my number one guy in the whole draft. I hope the Lions can get him in the second. I'm with you a 100%. It's no secret here. He is for sure one of my guys in this draft. He's on the on the cover of my my big board over at the draftreport.substack.com. Ron Pincer here saying God's in control of what's happening. In

Speaker 2: the morning. No. Are we, planning planning a bad Thursday night, are we?

Speaker 1: You're right. Right. Don't mind me as I'm going through. Happy drafts, miss. Absolutely. Shout out to Brent here. Robo also said, come on. I want Procter or Freeling. And and I know we've talked about this in in pretty good depth, offensive tackles. I think one of the first podcast we did through the draft cycle was on offensive linemen. I know you and I have texted back and forth, and I've kinda opened up to the idea of Procter a little bit. I know where your stance is with Procter. I know where your stance is with Frelink. Do you have a preference a night before the draft if it was Proctor or Freeling? Would you feel one way or the other?

Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I absolutely, I do, but I think it's, there's just the reality of it is just kind of surrendering to the whole thing. And if it's if it's Procter, then so be it. They'll have their reasons for doing it. If it's Freeling, same thing, so be it. They'll have their reasons for doing it. I I I just I in my mind, I desperately want them to take a left tackle. And this is gonna sound ridiculous, but I want them to take a really good left tackle. Well, no shit. Right? Like, come on. You know? But I I worry that Proctor is okay. He's okay as a pass protector. Right? And it's impressive for a guy as big as he is to move the way he does. When he does lose, it seems to me like a lot of those losses are back inside because he just he does struggle a little bit to redirect. Yeah. I don't think for as big as he is that he's that he's this super imposing run blocker. There are moments where, like, if you highlight the bad, it's it looks really bad. And And it reminds me a little bit of how JC Latham looked when when he was in the draft a few years ago where, yeah, he's athletic and all that stuff, but balance stuff, and there's there are times when he where it just looks it just looks you know, it just doesn't look right. But, I fully understand that Procter is going to get a shot as a as a left tackle, and that's cool. I think Procter could play right guard for them. I think Procter could play as a guard for them. So I think you have some security with, you know, understanding that and it's not easy because because to lose think about getting drafted to be a left tackle and failing there to the point where they have to kick you inside and and what that might do to to your confidence and all that stuff. But I just I worry about it. Like, is is he a player that's gonna that's gonna live as a left tackle? Is that even anything they want at this point? Are they gonna I mean, are they moving Sewell no matter what at this point? I don't know. Right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. And I think that's the other thing too. Like, are they just more comfortable with the right tackles, or do they truly wanna shoot for that left tackle in Procter or Freeling? Because we we've, you know, said it the whole time that those are the two left tackles in this draft, and then it's kinda everybody else on the right side. You might be able to make it work with Spencer Fano and I guess Caleb Lomu as well. So so my fault on that. I will say I've opened up to Procter a little bit now a little bit more, now because I saw a video. Was it Monday? I think it was Monday. I saw this video of him working with Duke Mayweather. And for people that don't know, Duke Mayweather is one of the best offensive line minds in football, maybe the best. And he's been working with Procter one on one. And if Duke gets his hands on a player, there's a good chance that that player is gonna be pretty solid to the next level. And I was watching these clips of how he was breaking down film and how he was moving, in space and run blocking. And sure, it was against a pad and all that stuff.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: But just the power and the movement, it's like, man. And then I saw, like, him studying the tape and breaking things down with Duke. And I'm like, man, like, this guy, little rough around the edges, but there's potential there. And it's like, he's only 21. And we all talk about how great Hank Fraley is. And I even said it during the season. I go, Hank Fraley needs a guy, not these third and fourth round guys that he's gotta always try to develop and get the most out of him. Give him a first round guy and see what he can get out of him. So I get a little amped up thinking about Caden Proctor, but I would still prefer Monroe Freeling. And and I I I think he could be the pick tomorrow, but I just don't know if he's gonna be there. Yeah. I mean, if the Proctor

Speaker 2: thing is this, it's not like it's it's not like it's you would I wouldn't feel like, oh, that's that's awful. It's, you know, like, it's totally cool. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, they're they're super smart people. Is it gonna work? I don't know. I mean, nothing nothing nothing's, like, nothing's guaranteed, you know? Like, it's gotta it's gotta work itself out. I don't I don't love the idea of the wait thing, with him. But but I also understand that, you know, it's the whole planet theory thing. Like, there's only so many people in the world as big as that guy moving like that guy. And if honestly, if you just looked at his pro day and his ability to move without the pads on, just his ability to move, you would think this has gotta be a top five pick. Yeah. Just the way he moves. You know? So total I would totally get it, and I would be I would be you know, it's it's good. It's cool. Very cool. Freleng to me Freleng gives me a little more security in him in in him sticking as a left tackle. I I I just think that with Freleng, it's like it almost feels like you're looking at Taylor Decker as a as a 21, 22 year old. And that's

Speaker 1: about I'm telling you.

Speaker 2: That's about the career you I mean, if he gave you that, like, wow. You know, that'd be awesome. And that's Yeah. I would love for them to keep Sewell as a right tackle and just just let it all ride right there. But, you know, so it's I mean, either way, if it's one of those two, I think it's just like, alright. Let's lock in and go.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Now just McGregor here, says I want no part of Proctor at all unless it's the d tackle from Louisiana in the fifth round. That's fair. He's got a lot of love and inner circles in the NFL. He might even go maybe a round before that, maybe even two rounds before that. So we'll see. My buddy, Paul Holt, out there, Procter with the thumbs down. That's okay. My buddy, Matt, in here, here we go. Big time Steelers fan. I hope he knows that the Penguins still suck and so does he. Justin's in here. Russell is top of the mock draft accuracy. Far too kind. This guy drinks Miller Lite better than anybody. I can tell you that. I alright. There's enough about me here. Let's get to the questions. You got a lot

Speaker 2: of fans in the chat.

Speaker 1: Yeah, man. You know, you post something on social media, they just come running. Alright. Here we go. Don Burr. Brad Holmes might not even go tackle or Dean if it's not the guy they want. Fans better stop falling in love with certain players. That's fair. That's fair, Don. I I I agree. Don't get all caught up on, specific players and those types of things. But at the same time, like, going offensive tackle just makes so much sense. We've gone over this numerous times. He Yeah. It's I mean,

Speaker 2: are we like, I think there are some players where if they were around and you and you did get aggressive to go do something where I could lions trade up on if they trade up tomorrow and and it's not for a tackle, like, it's gonna be like, I feel it'll be a little bit like, you know, East Lansing after a title. Like, there's gonna be stuff burning, you know? I mean, but, like, think about Caleb Downs in a scenario where, like, you know, he's just a phenomenal football player. Would it be would I would I mean, should anybody be super pissed if that's what they choose to do? No. Great football.

Speaker 1: But yeah. And that that's the other thing too. Like, depending on what they walk away with. Like, if it's not a tackle or Dienen, let's say it is a corner. Maybe it's Colton Hood. If it's a safety, like you mentioned, even if it is Dylan Thieneman, is it a good football player? Is it a guy that helps him? Does it does that player make them better? I'm all for it. And that's the way you gotta view it. I'm catching up a little bit here on some of the FreeLink stuff. So my apologies here is if FreeLink offensive tackle is available, do the Lions take them? I mean, obviously, yeah, we we don't know. I I would assume they would. I think there's just when you connect the dots, right, like the mutual interest, you've got Tate Ratlitz, you have the need for the left tackle, you probably have the want for the left tackle or a offensive tackle. You look at his tape, the flexibility, the growth that he showed from game one to the final game. There's a lot of of of encouraging signs and traits with with Monroe Freeling. So if he's there, he would make a ton of sense. But, also, if he's there and Spencer Fano is there or Francis Maui Noah, do you go that route instead? You know? I I What if he's there

Speaker 2: and Blake Miller's there and they go Blake Miller? What's the reaction?

Speaker 1: For me, I'm not mad at it. I would I would kinda be like, okay. Maybe this is more so ready made. This is a guy that they know can help them day one. It kinda tells me a little bit more on Larry Borum. That's how I would feel. And I I I do look at Blake Miller in the run game, and I go, man, that's kinda sexy. I kinda like that because when he grips and he gets a hold of you, it's game over. So 54 game starter, almost 3,500 career snaps. There's there's much to be desired. Their foot speed's a problem with Blake Miller, but I like it. I like it.

Speaker 2: He's he's intriguing. I mean, obviously, you know, a guy with that much experience is it's interesting. He started I wanna say started 54 games at Clemson. But I don't I mean, I'll be I was gonna be totally honest. It it bothers me a touch that he was never moved from right tackle.

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Speaker 2: It bothers me a touch. I I guess this is like I'm nitpicking. Right? So everybody, I'm nitpicking. Just understand that. He tests like a freak athlete, but it's hard to find that. What I to me, it's hard to find that watching him play. Like, I thought he was a guy who was a little bit, who who lacked some some foot quickness. He didn't test that way. So it's just weird. There's some there's some stuff there. And then there's I think there there are watching him play, there are there are technical things that after starting 54 games, you go, Like, is this stuff that's sort of cemented in where where you're worried that you can't the hands is what I'm talking about. You worry about, like, you know, grabbing from outside the frame and doing a little bit of hugging. Even in in his and even as a run blocker at times, like, there are times when he will grab. There's a play there's a play against Florida State where it's, like, whatever. It's second or third and one third and goal from the one yard line. And he's and his job is to literally block down on a three technique. And he he comes off the ball, everything's cool, but his hands like, I I was I almost froze the frame and sent you a picture. His hands are out here. Like, his hands are out here, and his chest is about to make contact with the three technique. And it's like it's like what you know? So that kind of stuff where I go which just makes me go, And I think that in the big picture again, I'm nitpicking. In the big picture, players who come into the NFL that don't use their hands all that effectively at times, generally, it's tough to see that resolving itself and getting fixed. Right? So

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: That's my that'd be my worry for him is that he is gonna be a right tackle, and what I would consider to be a little bit of a higher floor, lower ceiling player. But I'm willing, you know, again, if that's the pick they make, you know, it's cool. And I think we again, we just kinda just we're moving on. Like, it's a it's a need. It's a it's a significant need. They addressed a player that obviously they liked. So, you know, that that's that's the thoughts on Miller, but I know that I know that sometimes, you know, nitpicking is not the best approach either. So Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1: No. No. I I got you, though. I I Blake Miller would be I I would be fine with it. He plays a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, checked a lot of boxes, six six three seventeen, 34 plus inch arms. Like, there's a lot to be desired there. You're not talking about a a guy that has horrible feet. Just gotta get a little faster on those wider alignments. This is a fun one here from, Roar of the Lions UK. How high do you think Bryce Lance, the North Dakota state receiver, could go? I think he's got a great shot to go top 40. I think that's a little rich, to be completely honest with you, just simply because when you look at the top three, like, receivers, you're talking Karnell Tate, Mikael, and Jordan Tyson. Then you've got Omar Cooper, Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion from Texas A and M is gonna be in that mix. Yeah. Jeremy I think Jeremy Bernard is gonna be in that mix as well. He I I guess he could. Right? But it's it's always, like, receivers is always about it's I always, like, compare it to ice cream. Jordan Reed told me that many years ago when we were when we were working together, and I'm like, man, I'm stealing that for the rest of my life doing this job. And Yeah. It it it you know, some of these players, specifically wide receiver, it is like ice cream. You pick your flavor, and Bryce Lance is kind of a different flavor. He's kind of more of like that vertical threat guy. You think of Christian Watson, kind of a similar role. That's the role that he's had in that North Dakota State offense. Doesn't necessarily mean he is Christian Watson. I know that's kinda scouting the helmet, but I I love his fit with, with Buffalo with Josh Allen. I think Bryce Lance with Josh Allen would be so fun. And just get a guy that can get it deep down the field to him. He can win over the middle. You can get design touches to him, but deep down the field, do all that. But great question. I I he could go. I don't think so though. I think that's a little rich. He's probably more of a third round, fourth Brown guy but

Speaker 2: It's kind of where I would think he would too. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Top 40 could happen though. Crazier things can happen. But great question. I really like this one. TJ Parker or Kaden McDonald to the chargers. Please, god. And I I I I saved this question from Brandon here because as I'm doing my final mock draft, and I've got a spreadsheet here with, like, 4,700 tabs. And because I've done a 100 of them. I'm like, rather than copy, paste, delete, do it all over again, let me just open it in Google Sheets and just go tab by tab by tab. Chargers and I really get stuck up on them, with TJ Parker, with Kaden McDonald, with Kedrick Falk. And then kind of the wild card is Jermott McCoy from Tennessee, and I just wonder, like, he's gonna fall. How far is he gonna fall? Yeah. And if he falls to a place like the chargers, I mean, they were connected to Will Johnson last year. Do they consider that this year, with Jermaine McCoy? But I I could see TJ Parker for sure with with the chargers. You you need to get another pass rusher there. Khalil Mack's not getting any younger. So that one would make some sense. But that that'll be interesting. I mean, may who knows? If if the tackles go or something like that, the lines feel like they can move back and still get Blake Miller. Maybe that's a a trade down spot, and and maybe the chargers would move up and go get, you know, Jermaine McCoy or Caden McDonald or something like that. They just wanna jump in front of everybody. Yeah. But good question. I like this one. Robo's been really big in the chat today, so appreciate you, Robo. Trade up for Ruben Bain. What do you think of that? Trade up for Ruben Bain? Is that Ruben

Speaker 2: Bain's an awesome football player. Yeah. Awesome football player. Don't really Yeah. You know, like, there are moments where I like, I think it thinking it out, it's do I really carry these guys' short arms? No. But then I do think every once in a while, like, what's gonna happen if if if that violence and, explosiveness and all that stuff does get mitigated at the next level, what is the plan? Because he didn't necessarily have to have a second plan in college. He was awesome. His hand usage is great. His, I, you know, I think that with him, I think the wider he aligns, the more nightmarish he becomes.

Speaker 3: Mhmm.

Speaker 2: Because it's just like tackles have to take literally the perfect angle to block him, and they have to be as square as they can be to that angle. And, a lot of times, he's quicker to get there than they are. You know? Yeah. And he's so heavy, you know, thick and heavy that he that he can run through them, you know, and, like, he softens the outside shoulder so much with his with just how much inertia there is. You know, I I would love it. I just I don't know with what we've heard about him that he would be a player the Lions would really consider. I don't, you know, I don't again, I don't know that for sure, but I know they I know they did not have Jalen Carter, on their board. So

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Whatever whatever that means. I would love it. I think there are non football things, though, that might make that not possible.

Speaker 1: What do you mean?

Speaker 0: No. No.

Speaker 1: I I a 100%. I I I think he's a player that they, you know, probably from a football perspective, sure, they love the way he plays, the things that he could do for their defense, but I just the stuff off the field, I think, is a little bit of a red flag, and I I I don't see them moving up for him. They just don't have the capital to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2: From what I understand, he's a little bit of a different guy too. He's representing himself, doesn't have an agent. A lot of this stuff is probably stuff that might have been handled under the radar if he if he did have an agent. Like, there there'd be other there'd be it's just there's things that are happening from what I understand that teams are questioning whether he's been fully, you know, open and honest with them through this whole process. I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, it it's it'll be interesting. His destination is gonna be really really interesting to see where he goes.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. For sure. I mean, a lot of dots connected to the Kansas City Chiefs over the last, you know, couple days for sure. I don't think he could get past Tampa Bay at fifteen. Like, when I do a mock and I'm going through everything, I get to fifteen and I'm like, oh, Ruben Baynes on the board? Yeah. That's that's the Bucks all day long. So I could totally see that where he ends up just falling in their lap because teams don't know what to do or they don't know how to assess the situation, the short arms, whatever the case may be. So I could totally see that. But but we'll see. Catching up here in the comments. So pause me or my apologies if I pause or there's a long pause and and nobody's saying anything. What up, though? What up, Pistons? Up thirty three thirty for folks out there. Hey, guys. What's up, Steve? My boy Dan's in here, Richie Love. What's up, Richie Love? What do we got here? Justin's got another question or just McGregor. Can you guys speak about the lions going to see wide receivers personal workout days? I feel like there's so many con content creators who are jumping on that, talking about us making a move to get a wide receiver. I mean, I'll I'll be honest with you. That's just them, you know, looking at players that are probably more so, like, UDFAs or late day three guys. They just wanna ensure they've got enough knowledge for later in the party, later in the draft. Like, alright. They've got everything checked off. Boxes are checked. This is a player that fits clean medical, whatever the case may be. But, also, just bringing in receivers, that could mean a variety of things. It could be, hey. We're looking at the offensive lineman in this draft or from this specific cool or from this specific school, what is what does this guy do? What does this player do? What does this tackle do? So it's a great question. I just I don't think they would take a receiver too high, to be completely honest. I mean, in unless, like, Makai Lemmon was there, and I don't even think they would pull the trigger on that. I I mean, they have to walk away from an offensive tackle in this first round.

Speaker 2: The you would almost think that they have to have business happening elsewhere if they were if they were gonna do something like that. Like, what are you trading? You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: There's only so many mouths to feed. I mean, sure. I I think they could draft one later in the draft. Get a depth guy for sure. Like Donovan McCauley, for example, from Michigan. He's a player I'd identified early in the process. I think the Lions would like. Sure enough, they met with them, and I think he he would make some sense for them. He's exactly what they're looking for with, like, Donovan Peoples Jones, Josh Reynolds, that guy that can kinda help with timing, anticipation, dagger concepts, flood concepts, just attacking the middle of the field. And I think I think there's some positives there with Donovan McCauley from Michigan. Really good blocker too. Trying to catch up to these questions, so my apologies.

Speaker 2: Is this I wonder if this is this is driven because the lions were at Jordan Tyson's workout.

Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well and I mean, yeah. No doubt. But could they have been there for Max Ionichor, an offensive tackle that they might really like? I mean, you you don't know. Right? I mean There's

Speaker 2: so many ways to think about why a team would spend money and resources going to meet with a player who they absolutely have no chance at in round one. Some of it is just like, alright. You met with the guy a few years ago. You got to know him a little bit. There's a comfort level there. I think I think teams do that all the time, just to just to have, like, a canvassing of of the group of players that might be potentially something they might be interested in a few years. Who knows? But yeah. I mean, I you know, the tie the the Lions meeting with Tyson to me doesn't really it doesn't mean anything that any anything like they're interested in Tyson. That makes sense.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. And and, also, like, you going up to to see Jordan Tyson work out, that you showing that interest, you showing up there kinda makes teams wonder, and then that's when you get a team to trade up and go take them. Or he goes much sooner and guess what happens? The offensive tackle falls into your lap. You play the long game there. That's kinda the way that I took it. My buddy Dan here's got what would be the worst position pickup in the first round for the Lions, like make you want to never watch. So who's the what's the position where you're like, man, if they go this route, what are we doing? And I'm gonna be honest. I think the only one that would make me be like, what the hell are we doing is if we took a running back or a quarterback. Like, it because you're not taking Jeremiah Lovett 17. You're not taking Ty Simpson at 17. But if you ended up doing that, like Jadarian Price or Kenyan City. That I I know that's gonna I knew that was gonna be your answer. I knew that. I knew that. I don't think I'd be that upset because that would kind of tell me everything I need to know about Sam Laporta. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2: It would tell you in some ways that you might be worried about Sam Laporta.

Speaker 1: Yes. And that's okay. I would much rather get in front of it than

Speaker 0: Yeah. For

Speaker 1: sure. Yeah. Trust them all season. And then we're week 13, and we got my son playing tight end out there, which would be god awful. That would not do very well. So, you know, I I think it's okay if they went that route. But I'm I I get what you're saying. That would be the one where it's like

Speaker 2: Is Mike Linebacker a position where you would go? So I so there are a couple, like if they took a a Jack Campbell clone, I wouldn't like it. If they take if they take Caden McDonald in the first round, I'm not gonna like it at all. Yeah.

Speaker 1: That's You know what I mean? McDonald's a good answer. That's a good answer. Just That that's a really good answer. That would be the one where I'm like, what are we doing? Like

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0: You can go you can get

Speaker 1: a d tackle in the fourth round, you know, like Dominique Orange. You could maybe get, that kid out of Texas a and m. Is it Regis? Tyler Regis, I think his name is?

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: I'm mixing up the names here.

Speaker 2: There's you know, like, that would be I would I would shake my head very hard at that. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Robo, good question here. Guys, what middle round linebacker fits as we talk about linebackers, would be great values? What mid round linebackers fit us and would be great value? And then what do you guys think about Perkins from LSU and Shepherd's, defense? So I'll I'll take this one just simply because we're talking about one of my guys, Harold Perkins. I'm all for it. I he was a player. I identified early in the process as a weapon. Necessarily a guy that you look at and go, oh, he's gonna play as my what my Mike. He's gonna be my will. He's gonna he's gonna do x, y, and z. He's gonna do a variety of things for you. He wore many hats in that LSU defense, and I get it. You go to, you know, you go to a pie chart or you look up his athletic chart, and you look at how everything is and it's really small because he's not an overly big guy. Six foot one, two hundred and twenty three pounds. He's got sub thirty two inch arms, not big hands. I just need this guy to be a disruptor. I need this guy to be on the field, eat up some space, show some range, and get after the quarterback. Tore his ACL, but from 2022 to last season with a torn ACL in 2024, he still finished his career with 17 and a half sacks, 35 and a half tackles for loss. And that's while playing as an overhang last year, playing off the ball in 2022 and 2023. So, like, I think there's a lot to to be desired with Harold Perkins. And I I think if the lions are trying to go to a versatile approach on defense, I think he's a guy that you can identify early in this draft process and go, yeah. That's a guy that I would wanna target. And if it's not him, is it a Kyle Lewis from Pitt? Like, that would be a guy that I

Speaker 2: was gonna bring up. That's

Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead.

Speaker 2: Yeah. No. It's good. Go ahead. It it's just they need they need lines need weapons on defense. Take take it.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. A 100%. And, like, Kyle Lewis, similar. Right? Six foot, two twenty, gonna he's gonna be a overhang defender and a big nickel defense. So if the lines wanna bring in a versatile defense where they're bringing in five defensive backs or one less linebacker and you're just not going with that four three defense anymore and and you go with a essentially, a four two five and or maybe you're going with a three two six or something like that and you're you're doing a variety of things, but you've got Kyle Lewis playing multiple hats, same thing with Harold Perkins. I think there's a lot to be desired there. So I think both those guys would be the two that I would say, okay, this one makes some sense. I will say Texas A and M linebacker, Toreen York is is a guy that I didn't do a full evaluation on him, but I know the Lions have been sniffing around and poking around and and taking a look there. Again, another undersized guy, five eleven, two twenty six. They could be touching base with him, simply because of some of the defensive linemen there, and maybe even some of the offensive linemen like a Chase Passantas or something like that. But York is a guy that when you watch him play, man, is his tape fun. I only watched like a game and a half, maybe two games, but pre snap identification, holy shit does this guy just identify and communicate every when I'm watching a linebacker and he's aligned in a 20 or he's in a 30 and he's pointing things out and and communicating to the back half. He's turning behind him. He's looking at the safeties, and he's communicating. And that's what York does all of the time. So touring York would be would be one of those guys that that I would identify. He he didn't test great, but he put up 25 reps in the bench. I think he put him in the box, and I I think he just let him roll. And I think he makes things a little bit easier, next to Jack Campbell. So

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Speaker 1: Sorry. I know I went rambling there. Did you have anything to add on that?

Speaker 2: No. I I mean, it you know, I I think in some ways, you know, that the Lions need playmakers and and weapons on defense. I wonder about, Jayshawn Barham and how he would fit as

Speaker 3: a Sam.

Speaker 2: Like, he would be interesting, but you're not that's not mid rounds. That's that's day two. That's pick 50 kind of stuff, so maybe that doesn't fit, but we're good.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. For sure. Going to the next question here from Jeff. Jeff Berg, 50 three seventy two. Thoughts on lines trading a player this weekend. So trading somebody away, for me, simple answer is no. I don't I don't see that happening this weekend, to be honest with you. I don't know if you feel that same way, but

Speaker 2: I I don't have any vibes around it any either either way, but, you know, who knows? I don't Yeah. Who would it be? I, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I I just yeah. I don't know who, like, who could it be? I mean, I don't see them trading away Rake Straw or Arnold. No. Player for pick trade on draft day. I I don't I don't really recall

Speaker 3: Do they have any

Speaker 2: depth anywhere where you'd go yeah. I could see that being a a move they would make.

Speaker 1: Maybe at, like, d tackle or something, like Chris Smith or MacKay Wingo or something. But I think that those are bodies you wanna keep because Yeah. You know, they have nine picks. And with those nine picks, they still have to sign either 12 undrafted free agents or 12 total free agents to fill their roster. They have to fill to 90 to to 90 players, that they have to. So, I I mean, I I don't see that happening then moving on from a guy. Maybe maybe in June or July? Could happen. Sure. But, everything else, I don't know. Comment towards you here from, swept in thirteen. I'm telling you, Bish Miller is gonna be the pick at seventeen. Brad is gonna be gun shy on trading back in case other teams snipe the offensive tackles, and the cost to move up will be prohibitive. So

Speaker 2: That's totally if that's the choice that happens and and there is a run on tackles and Miller is the pick, it is what it is. Like, you know, you're do you wrap your arms around it and and let's move on? Right? But we I was talking in a scenario where there were players who I would prefer over Miller still on the board. Right? But if but if the run happens and let's say let's say, tackle goes at ten, eleven, you know, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, twenty, eleven, twelve, and then Vega goes at 14, and then somebody jumps in front of you for a tackle at, say, pick 16, you would I would say, please take Blair Blake Miller right freaking now. So do you know what I mean? Like, as much as I drenched on it earlier, that that was nitpicking. There is a scenario where, you know, at pick 17, I'm gonna be freaked out that they're not gonna take Blake Miller. So Yeah. That's the whole game. You know? But I I just don't know that I don't know that that's yeah. I don't know. I ain't no doubt I'm talking about.

Speaker 1: No. You're good. You're good. Mike Hodge is in here. Appreciate Mike. He actually subscribed to my Substack yesterday, the draftreport.substack.com. I appreciate you, Mike. Thanks for the tank of gas, buddy. I hope you enjoy the content. More is coming on the way. I I promise you that. You you will get a final mock draft tonight or tomorrow morning, but, I will definitely have that, first thing tomorrow for sure. Guys, what first round Lions pick would surprise us fans the most but would not surprise you? For me, it's Dylan Thieneman from from Oregon. I've said that probably 500 times on this show, I think, in the last couple months. He just screams Detroit line. Like, he's a guy that you look at him and you're like, you know they sat him down and they were like, wow. Let's just take you before the Vikings take you. You know what I mean? That pit right before, we'll kick the can. We'll figure out if Kaleb Tiernan or Jude Bowery or Demetrius Crown over the list of offensive tackles goes on. We'll take one of those guys, but we need Dylan Thieneman in our in our defense. That would be the one that I think fans would be like, what the hell is going on? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then, I mean, it's a good one. He's fun. If you go back to if you go back two years ago to to watch him at Purdue, they use him as a lot more a lot more as a deep safety where he can just run. Yeah, good play really good player. Like, you know, I I I I could see that happening simply because we don't have we don't have clarity or answers on either of our starting safeties. Like, you know, we don't know what's going on with Branch or Joseph.

Speaker 1: I

Speaker 2: think the insinuation is that that they expect Joseph to be okay and ready to go. I'm trying to think about a position where I would I I would not be surprised, but I'm really not coming up with with anything anything, like, you know, we just talked about safety. I would love for for Vega to be something they would consider, but I don't think that would really surprise fans too much. Vega is a really good player. I don't know. Like,

Speaker 1: But that's the thing, though. Right? Like, that's the thing. The Lions are in a spot where

Speaker 2: Maybe Jermaine McCoy. That would be Right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. That that would

Speaker 2: I would be I would be there would be two trains of thought there. I am not gonna be surprised if the lions go, his tape on in 2024 is the best corner tape we've seen in a long time. Yeah. Just ridiculous. But you gotta deal with the with the whole idea of what the medicals are. So I would be surprised if they spent that pick on him. But I wouldn't be surprised that they love his game.

Speaker 0: So I don't know. I don't know if

Speaker 2: that's a good answer, but, like, that's it's not gonna be it wouldn't surprise me if McCoy was a player they loved. It will surprise me if they take him.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I, yeah, I don't know. I I think that man, that's tough. Be just it would fit the narrative for sure, and people would go insane. Yes. I mean, look. Even Mike was like, good god. Not McCoy.

Speaker 2: So No. I I and I get it totally. It there's so much there where you go, let somebody else take the risk back at at the back end of round one just because because there is so much risk. But Yeah. When you watch him play, man, like, it is and again, it's you know, you missed an entire season, so that's rough to even make this choice. But

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: If he put that tape if he put that tape back together for two years and he didn't suffer the ACL, he'd be a top five pick in this draft. But, like, you know, if if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle kind of thing. Like, he did suffer the ACL injury, and he does have a degenerative knee problem that's separate from the ACL thing. So, like Yeah. They have to recognize some of that stuff. But his tape is great. It's just, you know, I shouldn't have said it.

Speaker 1: No. Yeah. No. It's a it's a good call out because it I mean, anything's possible. You never know what's gonna happen. But I think that's, you know, as as I was kinda getting to, like, any player they take, it wouldn't be to me, it wouldn't be that surprising unless it was a quarterback or a running back. Like, that would be the one where and probably wide receiver. I'd be like, alright. What the hell are we doing? But everything else, it kind of aligns with what what they're doing and how their roster's being built. And I I I don't wanna say, like, nobody's untouchable, but, like, if you're adding talent across the board, like, it I I can't get mad at it. You need to add talent. And if they identify if that that's a problem, like, you gotta go get it. Justin McGregor, been awesome in the chat. Appreciate the questions. You got another one in here, so I'll follow-up with back to backs. What are your guys' thoughts on the lines potentially trading Christian Mahogany during the draft to acquire more assets? Because I think that's a real possibility. Not something that crossed my mind, to be honest, but I could see it. I could see it. I mean, I don't know why you would other than getting more assets because they but at the same time, like, nine picks is nine picks. I think that they can take two of them and turn it into eight picks, but get back into the third round and then then you're sitting pretty because I think there's gonna be a run between rounds three and five where you're gonna see some interior offensive linemen go anyway, Centers, guards, and those types of things. But

Speaker 2: He's so cheap. I I I just I can't. Unless they are absolutely telling him, dude, we're moving on. Like, we're moving on. We're gonna find you a a a, you know, place that works for you. Sure. But are they there? I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No. I don't know. I I don't think they would do that. I could see him go in the Jonah Jackson route though 100%. I could see that where he goes and signs a three year $39,000,000 deal somewhere, and the lines get a comp pick out of it. And Yeah. They they want they

Speaker 2: want more years, though, as a as a as a six round, paid player. So it's like, why you know, get that key value here.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And what are you truly gonna I mean, you could get something from for sure. I mean but I don't know if you would get much more than, like, a fourth round pick. I mean, I I don't know. I'm I'm guessing there. But, yeah, we'll see. Following up here with Justin's question, I'm I'm assuming your name is Justin. If it's not, I'm sorry. But it's just McGregor, so I'm gonna call you Justin. I'm sorry. Thoughts thoughts on later round picks like the Clemson running back, That would be Adam Randall or Houston tight end Tanner Kozel. I don't know if you have a thought on either one of those guys. I I can definitely talk on the Houston tight end because I I'm a big fan. I love this game.

Speaker 2: I like his game too. I I and the Lions do need to add They need to add some punch to that room behind La Porta. I have sort of operated in the space that they needed, like, a combo guy who who's who's a good blocker, a good inline blocker, and to play in 12 personnel for them, who can also do some things, you know, catching the catching the ball and and getting out into space and that kind of stuff. Yeah. To me, there are three names that stood out as those guys, and it's, it's Nate Boerkercher, Sam Rausch, and Riley Nowakowski. Those are the those are the guys that I would trust to come in and block really well for you. But Koziel I think Koziel's a really good pass catching weapon. He seems like a vacuum. Every everything that he catches everything. Right? So he's he's interesting. I just I'm I'm not sure if if that's gonna be the kind of tight end they're they target, but I'm assuming we'd be talking rounds, like, round five range for him.

Speaker 0: I don't know.

Speaker 2: I'm terrible at that.

Speaker 1: No. I mean, I I'm bad at it too because I put a list of a 110 players together, and it's not the consensus list of players that are in the one ten. It's my list of one ten. So my board's obviously way different from everybody else. I viewed, Tanner Kozel as a third round player, late third round player. I felt like when I got done watching his tape, I was like, man, this guy screams Detroit. Because I know they've visit visited with him, but that was after the fact that I'd already watched his tape. I watched it prior to the Senior Bowl, and he just stood out. 66247, former receiver, transferred from Ball State, ran a 47, 36 and a half inch vertical. The measurables are good.

Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He looks

Speaker 1: like a big he looks like a big slot receiver. Like, you watch him just hit those simple slant routes. Simple route patterns work for him. So you're getting short intermediate area success with him. And and, sure, I'm sure he could run a deeper post and do some different things. But short areas of the field, I think, work really well. And I thought what stood out to me the most was how effective he was on GH counter. I I felt like the guard HVAC counter, he just instantly was kicking out, rapping, kicking out, rapping consistently with really good base, really good form. It's exact I mean, I clipped it and saved it in my coaching file for for my players that I coach at the tight end position, and I'm like, this guy's kinda got some teach tape blocking here. So I think there's a lot of a lot of good with Tanner Kozel, Willing Blocker. And if the Lions are gonna go twelve, thirteen personnel, you know, sure. They've got Conklin. They've got Brock Wright. They've got Sam Laporta, but Kozel makes a lot of sense for them. And then to to his point about Clemson running back, Adam Randall, I'll touch that real quick. Really good pass catcher. I thought he he had a great, senior bowl, four five time in the forty, six three two thirty two. He's gonna definitely get drafted probably fifth, sixth round. But, yeah, I'm I'm okay with it. I I don't necessarily know if that would be the guy that they would consider. I would probably if I'm if I'm going running back over the next twenty four hours or so, if I were to go running back, I would circle the name Caitron Allen for Detroit. That would be the one that I would that I would circle.

Speaker 2: I got a name too that I think people should pay attention to, and it's Toledo, Chip Treanum. He is a dude. Yeah. He like, I'm talking, like, round six or seven. So it's later. But like a bowling ball.

Speaker 1: Physical or a soft guy?

Speaker 2: Tackle. Fast. I think he ran, like, four three nine at two twenty five. He's got good vision, all that stuff. He I like his game a ton. Yeah. Just trying to temper it, though, because it's, like, really, I would love for him to be a lion. He'd be perfect a perfect, fit to pair with with Gibbs because he's big and he can do the heavy stuff, but he's also he's gonna hit home runs too. I like him a lot.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No. And you know you're down bad in the draft when you're watching Toledo running back. So this guy's got a problem. This guy's got a serious problem. Yeah. Didn't mean to jump some of those questions. My apologies, guys. Jeff here, what late round quarterback do we like? I don't know who the lions per se would like. I can tell you who I would draft, you know, later in the draft. For for starters, the first one would be Cole Payton. I really like his game. I'd be curious, and I didn't do this prior to the show. Obviously, I didn't know I was getting this this question, and I I didn't even do it in my research. I should have looked it up. The the Lions' former tight end coach, who's now his name is escaping me. He just went to Iowa State, but he used to be at North Dakota State. I would wonder if he's got some insights, some intel on Cole Payton and how he ticks and how he plays. And if if the lions are considering a quarterback, I think Cole Payton would be intriguing. I don't I don't know if they would wanna go with a left handed quarterback that kinda has a a kind of a wind up of emotion. He kinda winds it up a little bit similar to Tim Tebow, but there's a lot to be desired there with the way he moves and the way he can he can extend plays. And you watch some of the the ball placement throws that Cole Clayton has. I mean, I I I was down bad about a month ago. I was watching Illinois State, North Dakota State. Nowhere nowhere else else I'd

Speaker 0: rather be in the world than doing that,

Speaker 1: but I I will tell you, you you start questioning some things when you're watching that type of tape at times. But, yeah, I know. Cole Cole Peyton was really intriguing. He could make some far hash throws. He'd be on the right hash, make it all the way across the field, and just put it in a bucket, man. So there's a lot to to to like there. The other one for me would be Kade Klubnick. I'll never quit the guy. He's probably Ryan Finley two point o knowing my luck with quarterbacks, but, I I do like his skill set. The tools are there. And if he can add a little bit of weight, I think there's something there that you can maybe tap into, but we'll see.

Speaker 2: I like Nussmeier.

Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2: For sure. Not at a not at a, you know, at at a heavy price, but I I think Nussmeier in a in a system I mean, coach's kid, you know, all that. Like, he's he's he's got it all. He dealt with some stuff last year where apparently he had a cyst on his spine that caused his oblique to lock up when he would throw the football. So and but, you know, there every once in a while, you go, what are you thinking there? You know? But but if you're in round four range, and I don't know if he's gonna get to round four. I have no idea. He would be a player, I would say, I would like that guy in the building for for a few years just to see what what his development looks like. He's interesting.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. For sure. Tyrone in here, he put a comment earlier. I didn't mean to ignore it. He was talking about loss in the running back from Alabama. Sorry we had moved on from the linebacker stuff, but, he caught my eye a little bit. I didn't watch him in-depth. I only watched, like, one game. Smaller but smaller player. Yeah. But he he gives out a comment here. Jonah Coleman running back from Washington. Absolutely. The guy, pass pro, he's a thug, man. He can get after it. I mean, in a good way. I'm not saying that in a bad way. He gets after it. So Yes. Perfect. Yeah. No. That's what me and my buddy say sometimes. We're like, man, I got a thud. And we mean it, like, in a good way. That said, we got, Brent in here. What do you think about the lines trading down first round for more picks? Definitely I'm definitely on board with it. I mean, you know, that's that's in a perfect world, but that run of the tackles, it's happening. It's coming. And Yeah. I mean, every everybody's been talking about we've been foreshadowing it for a while. So I I mean, it's gonna happen, and I I don't want them to get too far out of out of place. I mean, Carolina with fire. Yeah. Carolina Carolina, Pittsburgh Yeah. I threw this out there on Twitter last night. Imagine a scenario where Cardinal Tate goes at six, and I don't think that will happen. But he goes six to Cleveland, and then from twenty four to fifteen comes up Cleveland, and they take Monroe Freeling, and they walk out with Cardinal Tate, Monroe Freeling. I mean, yeah, that would be the lion's luck. You know what I'm saying? And Yeah. But, I yeah. I'm not opposed to it. I'm not to answer the question, long story short, I'm not opposed to it. I think it's, I think it's fine to go that route. It makes sense, but I think that this thing Who are

Speaker 3: you missing out on, and who who do

Speaker 2: you end up with? Exactly. That's what you'd wanna know. Like, you know

Speaker 1: Are you trained down to

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Speaker 1: Think Caleb Lomu? Because if so, we're dancing the street. Pants are off. We're dancing. We're having a fun time. Right? Miller lights are going everywhere. It's a great time. But I don't again, I don't realistically, I don't think that's gonna happen. I think they're gonna stick and pick. Worst case scenario, maybe they try to get up to 15 and just get in a position to make sure they get one of those tackles. But even then, I I don't know. Silent service in here. What if the Lions took the Florida defensive tackle, Caleb Banks? I you can go ahead on this. I mean, I it's 17, no way. 50? I would be on board at 50. I'm on board

Speaker 2: at 50. Yeah. Yeah. Not in not in round one. No. No.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Not at not at 17. 50, I could see it. You I am concerned about the foot because he's either he's either gonna be one or two players. And I I say this in, like, a scale of, like, pro comps. Everybody likes pro comps, so here you go. I don't I don't like doing them, but I'll do it. He's either gonna be Chris Jones or he's gonna be Rashad Haikman. So you take your pick. That that's the two player types that he's gonna fit. And Chris Jones is probably a little rich. He might be a lighter version of him, but you get what I'm saying. Like, similar play styles, similar size, alignment versatility. And it I I will say, you watch Caleb Banks at the senior bowl, you're like, damn. That's a first round pick. But then you pull up the medicals, then you go to the tape, and you see the inconsistencies, and it's just like, that's not a guy you're taking at 17. It's just just not. It I mean Yeah.

Speaker 2: There's I was watching him, and there's a play where where, I'll I'll make it quick because we're we're moving along here. He, so he he very he's unblocked, as a three tech entering the backfield. And and it's very, very obvious that he doesn't know what's going on because his hands come up. And he's, like, he's looking around. And there's a jet sweep going out going away from him. Right? Yeah. And he doesn't see it, so he looks the wrong way. Right? So he's looking from he's looking at where the jet sweep came from, not where the guy with the ball is. So he then takes another step, and he's like, what the f is going on? And now there's a reverse coming. And now he's looking the way the jet sweep was going to, but he doesn't see the reverse that's cutting in front of his face. And he's just kinda, like, shaking his head back and forth, and he just decides, alright. I'm just gonna go tackle the quarterback. Yeah. And it's like, that's a hilarious play. Right?

Speaker 1: You know what's you know what's crazy with him is, like, when you see him put his pad level down and he works his hands, dude, he's a effing stud. He's so good. But then you see How

Speaker 2: much how often do you see that, though?

Speaker 1: Right. And it are you really gonna tap into that? I I don't know. Again, pick 50. I'm cool with it. I think it would be, I think it would be a fine fit. I actually did a mock draft where, like, that was the case. I think I walked out with Monroe Freeling and Kayla Banks, Bud Clark, and I'm like, man, great draft. Great draft. And that's very possible. I mean, you never know. I I do think the NFL is gonna be higher on some of these these players in the mock drafts that are in the third, fourth round, especially at safety. I think that second round that that second round is gonna be a safety sweet spot. You know, trading Stukes could slip into the first round, but that means Bud Clark and, AJ Halsey and some of these other guys, they're they're gonna fly Genesis Smith, they're gonna fly off the radar in the second round. It's just what it's gonna be. Yeah. Yep. Let me get to a couple more here, and then I'll get you here, Scott. Ryan in here, what do you what do you think is more likely trade up or trade down with one of our first two picks?

Speaker 2: I think it's much more likely that they maybe move up from pick 50 than move up from pick 17. Right? I would I think it's easier in some ways to move up than to do the whole trade down thing. I can't imagine them in round two at pick 50 with what I what I'm assuming will be there to pass on some of that stuff to drop back, but, you know, crazy things have happened. In a perfect world in a perfect world, there's a player they covet in round one that they think they can get at, say, 23, 22, 23, 24 range, and they move back there and they get him and they pick up assets, that'd be that'd be phenomenal. That'd be like that's that's the perfect scenario.

Speaker 1: Yep. I think for me, you know, I I some of the radio things I've done in the last, you know, week or so or whatever, I've I've taught and I might have even done it on the show, like, walking out of 17 with an offensive tackle. And then what if just what if Malachi Lawrence, TJ Parker, back end of the first round, early day two, you just move up from 50, go get that guy, and you're walking out of here with, let's just say, Monroe Freeling and TJ Parker. I mean, is that not an I I don't do draft grades, but is that just not an a plus draft? Is did the lines just not hit a home run? Like, it feels like that would be a home run. So

Speaker 2: Six to midnight, buddy.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like, we're up all night. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: Apologize. Sorry.

Speaker 1: No. It's okay. 56 year old,

Speaker 2: three year old.

Speaker 1: Settle down, Blue Chew. We gotcha. We gotcha.

Speaker 2: Blue Chew.

Speaker 0: Do you think, here we go.

Speaker 1: Do you think the will do you think the will prioritize? Am I reading this wrong? I think they will. Okay. I was gonna say, am I an idiot? Do you think they will prioritize a true will linebacker, or will they rely on Barnes and pick up a possible Sam Edge hybrid?

Speaker 2: Well, the Sam Edge hybrid we talked about was Barham. Yep. He is super

Speaker 1: I I think Jack I think Jack Kelly from BYU would be another one that they would have intrigued with as a Sam. I think true linebacker. I mean, I wouldn't write off Jacob Rodriguez or Josiah Trotter at pick 50. I think that they would love either one of those guys, but I'm also a Josiah Trot.

Speaker 2: I think Rodriguez is gone in day one. I really do.

Speaker 1: Where do you think?

Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah. I thought I thought Dallas at pick 20 would be one of those places where it would make a ton of sense.

Speaker 0: Yeah.

Speaker 2: But I think he's he's he's good enough. The way he recognized he so he was a former quarterback, and the way he sees the game is like the way a quarterback would see the game playing linebacker. There's just so much good there. Right? But, obviously, yeah, it takes two to to make a that that kind of thing happen. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a if he was a first round pick. It just wouldn't.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I mean, it could happen. It there's definitely been some rumblings to it. Yeah. I mean, you could identify probably a couple teams. Right? He kinda screamed Seattle Seahawk. That's something that they would do on day one. Buffalo's had, you know, their hand in the in the linebacker cookie jar a little bit, so I could see that as well. Could Chicago consider it? You know, they moved down from Tremaine Edmonds.

Speaker 0: You

Speaker 1: know, and I don't, again, I don't have the bear step chart up in front of me, so my apologies if if their linebackers are escaping me. But, yeah, I don't know. I I think yeah. No. Personally, I think they would probably go after the Sam, to be honest with you, just to answer the question. I think Yeah. They they would probably go that route to try to find a hybrid pass rusher that can maybe drop into hook hook curl, curl flats, do some of those things. And god forbid, let's not have that guy run man coverage down the field like James Houston. Back to Mike here. To be honest, I trust Brad enough, especially in the first round that I could fall in love with whomever they pick. That's where I'm with you here. McCoy is a typical second round flyer for Brad.

Speaker 2: He's earned it. Like, he you know, he's earned it.

Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He has. Yeah.

Speaker 2: He's we're good. We're in a good place with Detroit for sure.

Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.

Speaker 2: Silent service huge year for them in a variety of ways. But

Speaker 1: Yeah. You gotta hit it. You gotta hit it. Yeah. Silent service in here with the Lions. Try to move up to the back of the first round. Sorry. Some of these I saved a while ago, so my apologies. But, yeah, I would think so. I mean, I again, if it if it's the right guy, Malachi Lawrence, TJ Parker, you know, maybe Kendrick Falk is there. Yeah. I think that there's a couple guys that would make some sense. What nose tackle do you see Detroit taking? Do you have a nose tackle in mind, a specific nose? Who was it that I was just talking with? Oh, my gosh. I was just talking to a friend of mine, and we were talking about defensive tackles. Oh, and it it was he wasn't necessarily a nose, but, it was Rayshawn Benny out of Michigan. And Yeah. I think he would be a player that could play a little bit of nose, a little bit of three tech. I think Chris McClellan could be a nose for sure. So I I think one of those two guys would would maybe be a a third, fourth round pick that the Lions would have some intrigue with. Again, I know the Lions don't have a third round pick, but it's very possible that they they move back somewhere and get that third round pick. So those would be the two players for me. I don't know I I don't know if you were gonna add anything on that, but all all good if not. I can do it here. I will say if I'm not opposed to Landon Robinson out of Navy either. I think that would be that would be some that would be fun. He can play. Yeah. He's a little undersized, but he can play. Yeah. Stevens in here. He's got lines need to need to get a pick or two between fifty and one eighteen. And I think we could all agree. Yeah.

Speaker 2: And they have enough ammo. They have two fours, two fives, and two sixes. They'll be they'll be able to do that.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. A 100%. A 100%. Sorry. Still playing catch up here. Brian's in here. Who is a player that Detroit has to take if they fall to 17 regardless of position need? I like this question because I think you could go with a variety of guys. Mansoor Delaine, for sure. K. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Caleb Downs, for sure. I would think, David Bailey is not coming down to 17. So what we or or or or Reese and those guys, but, like

Speaker 1: I would say Francis Maui Noah. If he's there, I think I think they would sprint to the podium.

Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure. That would that would make a ton of sense. Yeah. I think he Yes. He he would

Speaker 1: be the one I mean, I'm with you on the lane, for sure, and and downs. I mean, no doubt about it. But I I think if Francis Maui Noah was there, that's the one where, like, Brad's got the lasers in his eyes and he's ready to roll.

Speaker 2: We're gonna get a video of him slamming the desk again for sure. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously, there's the back concerns there, but he makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Last one and then I'll I'll take one last look through the live chat and we'll kinda wrap it up here. Steven says, what are you guys thoughts on these three players? Clemson defensive tackle, Kepart safety, South Carolina safety Kilgore, and the cornerback Davis. I'm assuming the cornerback is the Washington kid to, or is that the Arizona kid? Takario. Takario Davis is the Washington kid, but he used to play at Arizona. Yes. He did. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, Takario Davis, Jalen Kilgore, or, Demantre Kepart, if I'm saying that correctly. Yeah. What are your thoughts if you have anything? I mean, I will say this. Kepart is a player that probably prototypical three tech for the lions. I could totally see that. Yeah. I think he plays, yeah, depth. Rotational guy. Not a not a player that you're gonna start right away, but certainly a player that could, you know, probably play about 35% of the snaps. I mean, is he gonna play the Roy Lopez role for you? I don't know. Kilgore was another one that I identified as, alright, I'm gonna watch, and then I got through two games, and I just could not get on board. I felt like he hesitated a ton. I feel like at times he would get lost in space. And maybe it was just those two particular games. I'll try to watch some tonight, but I got a lot of I got a lot of hate to put in the barn here. So I don't know. But Kilgore would I don't know. I I would go other directions at safety before I'd go Kilgore. And Tacario Davis, I didn't watch him at Washington. I remember him at Arizona, and I remember a lot of hype and buzz around him as a potential first round pick, not getting that buzz this year. So I don't know. I I I can't comment on Tacario Davis. I don't know if you've got anything to add.

Speaker 2: The the Kilgore Davis stuff is what are these gonna be what are these guys gonna be like as special teams players, and that's the whole story right now? That's what they gotta figure out. I think those guys would come in and be very bottom of the, you know, whatever room they're entering into, you know, the the corner room, the the secondary room, whatever it is, they'd be they'd be, you know, low man on the totem pole there, needing to work their way up, specific specifically in year one with everything that's in front of them. So, I mean, I know they did they need to draft players. They need to do they need to, you know, make their players work. But, all these guys would be, I think, depth only type guys.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No. I I think for sure. I mean, they certainly can develop into something more, and we can be totally wrong

Speaker 0: on this.

Speaker 1: I mean, Takario Davis could go somewhere and be an absolute stud, but, I just I can't really comment too much on that, because I didn't watch him. But, thoughts on Cole Brevard as a late round nose tackle. I have not watched him either, so I can't touch base on Yep. There. Me either. Benny would be great for us. I agree. I think Benny would be awesome. Mike says big citrus. I'm not opposed to Orange, but I am concerned that he's just never really produced. And I just don't know what that truly means of him as a player. Like, is he not fast enough to get home? Is he too inconsistent with his technique? That's what it all looks like to me on tape, but maybe this is a guy that just needs a change of scenery, a different fit. Maybe Detroit could be that. And if they got him in the third or fourth round, I'm good with it. Just don't take him at pick 17 or pick 50. Looking forward to the takes after the the draft. This will be fun. Appreciate it. Brent, appreciate you guys. Appreciate everybody for stopping in.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I mean, we we, just wanted to take about an hour, talk some draft, maybe an hour, hour and fifteen, like, we're kinda hitting here. Tomorrow's a big day, with everything as we all know. I mean, final picks, I gotta throw it to you. Do you have a a guess in the cooker that you think is the pick at seventeen?

Speaker 2: I wrote down I did this earlier. I wrote down my my the possibilities of players they could take, and I wrote down 15 names. So, no, I'm not I'm not making a prediction on that because that's nonsense. It's gonna be Blake Miller, but okay.

Speaker 1: I Blake Miller Blake Miller, baby. Yep. That's that's the one I keep putting as well. So, I I think that's gonna be the guy they land on. I I just I don't see a scenario where Caden Procter and Monroe Freeling are there. They play the premium position.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I I really hope it's Freeling. I really, really do. But, I would I would also love for it to be a a he and a chore. I would love for that to be a thing. Yeah. Like, let's trade back four or five spots and take him. That to me is, like, that is cooking. But I also know that I'm on a bit of an island there too. So Yeah. No. I I mean, I don't I don't really I don't have I never I don't ever feel like I have a good vibe for what the lions are gonna do. Even the Hutchinson year was like, who they gotta take? I don't know.

Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I mean, and that was it too. Right? Like, we all thought he was going one, and then it was Walker, and we're like, we have to go Hutch, but then you and I both had heard a lot of Kevan Thibodeaux stuff. So

Speaker 2: That was Dave Priquette, fifteen minutes before the draft started, was telling everybody Thibodeaux was the pick. Like, you know, like, that was a that's a thing. So Yeah. Enough changes. It's just hard it's hard. It's hard to know. Hopefully, they'll get a really good player at pick 17, and they'll they'll be able to round things out. It'll be good.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, cool. I I look. I'm with you here, Blake Miller. That's the guy that I'm going with in my final mock draft. Yeah. Sorry. I'm catching up on these comments. Great show. Blake is an eight year starter. Never trust Burkett. He's fine. Dave's awesome.

Speaker 2: He's one of the few that you really can.

Speaker 1: Shout out, Caleb. Brewers are losing four one, just so you know. Thanks, boys. Fun evening. Yeah. No. We're good here. Guys, as as I've said all draft season, be sure to follow us on Twitter at Russ NFL Draft, at Bischoff underscore Scott. Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe to the Detroit Lions podcast on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, and all other podcast platforms. I got nothing else. No more draft talk for me. This is my eighth and final spot of the day, so I'm good. I'm I'm gonna go rest the vocal cords. We got a busy day tomorrow as do you. Scott, my name

Speaker 2: luck, guys. Have fun.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Enjoy the draft. Scott, as always, you know, this is awesome. Always love doing this with you. Yeah. He's Scott Bischoff. I'm Russ Brown. This has been Bischoff and Brown right here on the Detroit Lions podcast.