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Speaker 4: Hey, everyone. Jeff Risen here with your daily DLP. We are still talking twenty twenty six NFL draft, and I have a special guest that I haven't seen in person in way too long. We're gonna get him up here. He's gonna cover the Packers draft for us. Don't hold it against him. He's a Packers guy because, Justice Mosqueda, Drew Mosqueda, you see there, old friend of mine we were just talking before we went on. Like, we we worked together, like, over ten years ago, man. It's

Speaker 5: been a long time. Yeah. I'm happy we crossed paths again because I was I usually I don't I I don't think you were there the last time I went to, the combine. But I usually try to, like, whatever we you know, senior bull stuff like that. You're one of the crazy guys who you used to go to, like, the shrine when it was still in, like, Saint Petersburg and stuff like that. I remember that. You'd be making that trip and then going to Mobile after that. I'm like, no. I am I'm flying out from Portland and Mobile. Yeah, man. I always try to go out of my way to to find you because you you brighten my day, Jeff. You brighten my

Speaker 4: day, Jeff. Well, thank you, sir.

Speaker 5: People listening to the ball. I

Speaker 4: we I just love talking football with you. We've had some great conversations over the years about prospects. We agree. We disagree and we have fun. We talk like dolls. It's one of the things that I love about you. Justice is that we can disagree on people and we're not gonna get nasty about it like we're gonna talk through it and like see that and no I don't feel like nobody's we'll see if that comes up in in in going over the dress today. But, you're you're at I

Speaker 5: will say one one thing I appreciate about you, you get ahead of everything. You start coming out. You're you're like, man, here is my, like, top 100, and I've watched guys. Like, there's guys like you. There's guys like Dane. Obviously, there's some of the guys at Bleacher Report, I really like because they actually spend the time, and they're kinda covering that sort of year round. Like, when Brandon Thorne talks about offensive lineman Yeah. I listen to what Brandon Thorne says. I bounce things off the table.

Speaker 4: To y'all.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Nate Tyson. Nate Tyson is a guy who I know is, like, actually putting in the work. Like, you know, a lot of these boards are just kinda regurgitated and stuff, but, you know, you do legitimate reporting. You do legitimate takes mints, you know, original takes mint takes throughout the draft process. So I always like that.

Speaker 4: Time, my friend. Thank you. I appreciate that. And the listeners hopefully appreciate that too. But you cover the Packers for Acme Packing Company, but I I will vouch for you because, again, we've been friends a long time. If you don't like something the Packers do, you're not gonna hold your tongue. Like, that's who you are. So let's get into it.

Speaker 5: And then you have a question on

Speaker 4: the pick. Yeah. That's right. So you didn't have a first round pick. Do you wanna consider Micah Parsons as your first round pick? Is that is that fair?

Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, we're loving it. I don't we really don't really get clicks on the site for that. I can't really put, you know, with the twentieth overall pick, we select Micah Parsons. But, yeah, that's definitely what happened in this draft.

Speaker 4: Yeah. So, any update on his injury status going forward? Is he gonna be ready for training camp beginning of the season, end of the season? Do you know?

Speaker 5: Man, it's gonna be tough. Everyone talks about, hey, man. He's a freak athlete. All this stuff we had, you know, Jeff Halfway before he ended up taking the, Dolphins job, you know, coming out of, the press conferences and stuff. At the end of the year, he was like, Micah might lead the NFL in sacks next year. He might break the record. Right? And then he ends up taking the head coaching job in Miami. So wait a sec. The expectations there, they just dip out the door immediately. I I don't I don't fault him at all. You know, he got a huge pay pay boost and stuff. I don't I don't think anyone thinks less of him for that. It's just kind of funny timing. The way that it works with a ten month turnaround because, really, that's what we're talking about with ACLs now. It's the full ten month turnaround between once it happens and once you're, like, actually on the field basically playing, like, a full amount of snaps, that will be around week five of the NFL season. So I assume he's gonna be on the pup list to start the year just so that they have the roster spot. The NFL just passed that rule where because before, if you're on the pop list, you couldn't practice with the team that full four weeks. Well, now Right. It's two weeks you can't practice with the team. You could have the two week ramp up where you're practicing with the team on the pop list, and, you know, they designate you to return and stuff. And then you could, you know, be full force in week five. So I think that helps. The Packers obviously dealt with a lot of injuries last year. Devonte Wyatt, Tucker Craft, all those guys should be ready to go. The Packers outside of Tucker Craft, Micah Parsons, and Jordan Riley should be full goes by the time training camp starts. Tucker Craft, the timing of it should be around the start of training camp when he should be able to return. So I think he's gonna be available in week one. And then Jordan Riley, I mean, he blew his Achilles. I think he's just gonna be on IR for the entire season if, you know, the backers wanna keep him around and don't wanna just pay him out and say, you know, good luck to you. And if I were him, I I wouldn't take the settlement money. They make the backers pay you because that's a pretty big injury.

Speaker 4: Yeah. It is. We're dealing with that with Brian Branch. This happened a little bit earlier, but, yeah, same same concept. You you guys do have contracts. Didn't Tucker Craft just get an extension or is in line for an extension? Like, did they read that?

Speaker 5: Yeah. So he he's definitely in line for an extension. It's a funky thing with the ACL right now. Right. We have caps We

Speaker 4: got it with Sam Laporte with our tight end. Like, we have the same issue. Yeah. He's he does he's not as injured. Like, his his injury is much more minor, but same sort of deal. Like, do you wanna see him get on the field and prove it before you give him the money? Like because I think that's kinda what's happening in Detroit. I can see that happening in Green Bay.

Speaker 5: I'm on team just I think every Packers fan is team just, like, give Tucker the money, man. Give Tucker the money because we don't want that number to go up. Like, if we can get him at Trey McBride numbers Yeah. I think we'll take it at Trey McBride numbers even, you know, with him coming off of the ACL at this point. The other big one is gonna be Christian Watson. Obviously, we got Jaden Reid done. We moved off of Dontavion Wicks. You know, the basically, the whole wide receiver room was on an expiring deal other than, you know, Matthew Goleman and Saving Williams who they draft last year. Romeo Dobbs obviously hit free agency. So I I think the ultimate goal is gonna end up being paying Christian Watson, but, you know, with the help of you guys driving up the wide receiver two market and, you know, speed receiver is getting, like, $26,000,000, $28,000,000 per year between the the deal you guys signed with J Mo and, Alec Pierce getting 28,000,000 on the on the open market to start free agency. Right? I think that's gonna be the market for, Christian Watson. So he's not holding out, which I thought was kinda interesting. I think if, I were advising Christian Watson, I would probably hold out. But he even showed up for, like, phase one OTAs, all that stuff. So I don't think there's gonna be contract disputes in the future. The backers have some cap space right now. There's ways that they can create cap space in the future. Like, if they signed Davante Wyatt to an extension because he's on that fifth year option, they can create cap space by extending him. Right? Short term cap space. Nate Hobbs is gonna come up. Part of Nate Hobbs' dead cap is gonna come off of the books post June 1. They're probably you know, the the way everything is slated, like, they're put in a position where they're probably gonna extend Xavier McKinney either this year or next year to create cap space because they borrowed from his contract, this year and kinda upped the cap hit in '27. So, like, there's a lot of things that are, like, already sort of in motion. It's just a question of, like, what order and when does it actually happen? I think the Tucker Craft and the Christian Watson stuff is gonna be done for sure.

Speaker 4: It's it feels like we're having parallel conversations because we're going through this in Detroit. Like, who do we pay? Like, how do we move money around to pay them what they're worth? Do, you know, do we wanna get ahead of the market, or do we wanna wait for the market? And the lines have been very good about about establishing the market and not waiting for the market to set the price for them. Sounds like that's where where you you wanna be too.

Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I would've I would've liked to get the Christian Watson deal done before Alec Pierce signed that contract. Right? And I wrote about it a lot because I think they're pretty good proxies for each other. But I'm also sure, like, Christian Watson's agent was like, we don't have to be on the football field until September. What risk are we taking? We definitely wanna see the Alec Pierce number before we sign anywhere.

Speaker 4: And for like, not to not to be, like, snide about it or anything, but he has had some injury issues. Like, what if he pops a hamstring in in training camp or something like that? Like, that's that does that that that has to matter.

Speaker 5: Yep. For sure. It's gonna be yeah. Again, this is another reason why, like, the the timing of these deals, right, is kinda interesting because the the big decisions the Packers have to make, Christian Watson, he's got legitimate injury history. Tucker Craft is coming off of the ACL. I think that's let less of a big deal than Watson's injury history because, you know, repeated hamstrings, soft tissues, things like that. And then Devonte Wyatt who's coming off of, you know, the the ankle injury. So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a little bit up in the air, but they're

Speaker 2: gonna have to make some calls.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Let's get into your draft. First pick, Brandon. So I was very intrigued by Brandon, but more for, like, 2027, 2028. Because this is a guy that I saw. There's a lot to like about his athleticism, and you could see an arc of improvement. But I'd I'll be straight, man. I don't I don't see how he plays significantly as a rookie unless you're in trouble. Feel free to disagree with that, but I this feels like a pick, and and this is sort of kinda what the lines have done too. You're drafting a guy who might not necessarily be impactful in year one, but, like, year two, year three. We did that with Ollie McNeil. Did that with Brian Branch, Kirby Joseph. Like, they they happen to wind up being a bit ahead of schedule, but I see him on that sort of arc. Am I am I crazy about that, or or or is he gonna get on the field quickly?

Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean, the Packers historically, right, back to 2005, their first round picks averaged six starts per season. The Packers very much are like, if we can red shirt them, we would like the option to red shirt them, like, if if all things are equal.

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Speaker 5: Now the question becomes, who's gonna start opposite of Keyshawn Nixon? And that's when you're like, I don't know. Sisay might have a shot. Right? So you're talking about Sisay, Benjamin St. Juste, and Carrington Valentine really having to run there. I'm there with you. I think I think Cissez is pretty raw. I actually kinda like the pick at the point that they took him. Like, you know, I I

Speaker 4: don't wanna get a sense of strategy. Fifty fifty four or something like that? Like, that's that's that's the range where a guy like that should go. I we saw him in the first round of mocks, and I'm like, don't

Speaker 5: That's that's where I was, Jeff. So Yeah. You know, obviously, we're out of first round pick. I do big analysis thing. Right? And I'm like, look. If a guy's ranked top 35 on the consensus board I don't I know consensus board is a triggering word for people right now. But if a guy's top 35 on the consensus board, he's not there at 52 unless he has a major injury or major off field concern, and the Packers really don't take those guys. Right? Right. So at the beginning, I was like, I don't even have to watch Cisse. But I watched him, and I was like, I it's too rich for my blood when people had him mock, like, top 20 or, like, around 20 and stuff like that. I think this was the correct range. He's a little thinner than the Packers actually like. Like, the Packers don't take guys who are, like, so like, they like two hundred pound corners. Right? They like guys who are six foot. Like, that's kind of the mold for Green Bay. He's a little lighter than that. But the other thing to remember too, he's 20, and they kept bringing that up. And they're like, hey, man. I we think he's gonna put on some weight. Like, we don't think that this is the final version of him. So I think if, you know, looking at him as a 20 year old who's close to to one ninety is a little bit different than if he were, like, a 24 year old or something like that. It's gonna be interesting to see how he kinda fits because I thought, personally, Cisse in more of like a man corner, You probably want them pressed up a little bit, things like that. That's kinda not really the Gannon system. Right? The Gannon system is we're gonna play a three four. We're gonna play quarters. You know, the quarterbacks need a run, and the big premium is your click and closability, which is not to say, like, C Sec can't run or anything like that. But it is just interesting where it's like, this is a guy who probably should be pressed up, and now he's gonna be going into a system where he's gonna play playing off coverage a little bit more. Don't wanna get ahead of ourselves, but, like, I feel like Dominic Jackson is kinda, like, a better fit for the system for who he is and, like, what Cisse is. But I understand them picking Cisse too, just how how the board ended up.

Speaker 4: So Demani wasn't your next pick, but let's talk about him since you brought him up because I I'm with you on that. I think he's more ready to play now if he's ever gonna be able to play. Now he's a he was, what, fifth round, sixth round coming out of Alabama, played at USC. Incredible athlete. Mhmm. Hasn't always been a great football player, was was the general consensus on him, and that was really something that I saw. But he does like, his ability to play off a little bit, it does seem like it fits a little bit better, doesn't it?

Speaker 5: Yeah. And he can hit. Like, that's the other thing too. I think he'll be able at a minimum, he'll be able to play special teams at a pretty high level. The the spooky thing is the angles that he takes. It's not really the coverage. Like, you know, there's not a ton of coverage where he ends up getting burned or something, you know, d I mean, he he was a guy who he set the state record for the 100 meter in the state of California, was a top five recruit coming out of high school even though he had a torn ACL that year. Right? Like, he he was the number two ranked corner in the entire class, only behind Travis Hunter. He was a guy I was actually higher on, and I kinda talked him up throughout the draft process because I had probably, like, a fourth round grade on the guy. And, you know, there there were some sites people didn't have him getting drafted at all because of the weird situation at Alabama with, you know, his quote unquote benching. And really, the truth of the matter was, like, Alabama was kinda trying to just rotate guys in. Like, everything is junior college right now.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, you Hey. When you when you're getting all those premium players in and you promised them playing time, like, you better give them a playing time. Otherwise In the portal? Hell, yeah. Otherwise, you're not gonna see those guys again.

Speaker 5: Exactly. Exactly. And he was dealing with he was dealing with injuries too. So the weird thing about the Damani Jackson. Right? So he, like, starts, like, the first month of the season, ends up having an injury, basically plays, like, 15 snaps per game until Alabama's in elimination games. And then once it's SEC title, the two playoff games, he's back to full blown starter again. Right? So it was a weird situation, but it Alabama was never out on him as as far as I could tell. But he does kinda, you know, fit the system. The weird the spooky thing is gonna be the angles because, Jeff, he played at modern day high school. He went to USC. He went to Alabama. I know he's run pursuit drills before. Right? Yes. Yes. And I'm worried about him on, like, screens and stuff on the perimeter and things like that. Not in terms of his want to because, you know, as far as a quarterback goes, he can, you know, kinda lay the hammer. He he plays bigger than his size too. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, he was able to play, like, safety or something like that down the line. But sometimes the angles that he's taken are are not great, and I just don't know if you can coach that up. That's gonna be the real x factor in him.

Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's the the issue is that he hasn't been or I shouldn't say he hasn't been coached. It hasn't really stuck yet. Yeah. Maybe maybe that'll happen if the stranger things have happened. Wanna get into Chris McClellan because this is the guy that a lot of lions fans were interested in in the draft in the range where the Packers got him, which happens to be a range where the lions didn't have a pick. Defensive lineman from Missouri who makes dude, he stirs the pot, dude. That's the best way I can say it. I I people who watch the show a lot know. I don't like normally saying good things about the enemy, but that's a good pick, man. I like it.

Speaker 5: I was I was kinda surprised that it was McClellan and not Dominique Orange because, you know, they keep they keep talking up, hey, man. We want a true, like, nose guard. Right? Like, we want, you know, guy head up, all this stuff.

Speaker 4: And that that's big citrus. Like, he's we actually talked about him. I had, Tyler Fortas on. We were talking about, like, he might get, like, point five sacks per year, but he's gonna be a hell of a player. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean McClellan, though.

Speaker 5: No. McClellan the the selling point on McClellan is he could play up and down the line. Right? So that now the big question in Green Bay is kind of gonna be like, okay. McClellan, you have him, you have Hargrave, you have Warren Brinson. Nasir Stackhouse is floating around. Like, who's actually gonna be your starting nose tackle this year? And do you have that guy? Because the the the big issue in Green Bay beyond the injuries right? Because, like, the offense got better during that losing stretch, you know, and a lot of people aren't paying attention. But, like, they're actually able to run the ball finally. Like and because they were able to run the ball, a lot of things opened up. Like, Malik Willis got some pretty impressive numbers out there in in a loss. Right? Yeah. Jordan Love was, like, blacking out in that playoff game. He their defense just couldn't get a stop. I know Charles McDonald, our buddy, has the stat splits where he just lines up, like, Packers' first quarter defense, and it's, like, all of the stats. And the Packers, like, at worst are, like, top three. And then the other three quarters of football. And the Packers are, at best, like, twenty eighth, usually thirty second. Their their issue was their defensive line just wore out with Kobe Wooden who was Mhmm. He wasn't playing at two seventy three, but that's what he came into the NFL at. He's probably playing two nineties, I would guess. But he was playing nose tackle. So the big question going into this offseason was, okay. We gotta replace an you know, we we gotta have a nose tackle who can stop the run. Now the question is, like, well, you have, like, three and a half half nose tackles. Right? Where do we go from here? That's interesting. It's it's just weird. We're going after this body part. This body part.

Speaker 4: We're having the same conversation in Detroit. We're wondering, like, who's gonna be our anchor? Who's like, you know, we got a Lee McNeil. We got, Tyreek Williams. We got Levi Anzuriki. Like, none of those guys are really zero ones. Like, they're threes. They're fours. You know, like, it's interesting how how parallel our teams are right now.

Speaker 5: It's tight in the North, man. It's it's too competitive. I don't like it. It's us and the NFC West. All the talent is there in the NFL, outside of the Cardinals. Apologies to the Cardinals. Michael Fuller is, like, prefired. But, yeah, it's it's deep in the North. It's deep in the West right now. I'd like some AFC teams to start stealing some of this talent.

Speaker 4: Yeah. That'd be that'd be good. Well, the the Eagles are sending AJ Brown away. That's that's gonna be nice for both of us.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Where'd you hear that? You were on the boat?

Speaker 4: I I I you know, you you hear things here and there. You know how that goes.

Speaker 5: The whispers. With our friends.

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Speaker 4: Let's get into, another guy that the Lions the look. He was my projection for their second round pick for a time. Deni Danny Dennis Sutton from Penn State. Tested better than he chose on the field, but, like, again, with the way parallel what the Lions are looking for in their edge, it feels like the Packers are looking for in their edge, and they got it in Danny. Dennis Sutton.

Speaker 5: Yeah. The Packers always like, you know, longer bodies, bigger bodies. You know, we draft LVN. We draft for Sean Gary the last two times we were picked high, you know, in the draft, all that stuff. I I think he made a lot of sense. I thought he could have potentially been in consideration at 52, honestly. Mhmm. I think the thing with him that's that's that's weird is just, like, a guy that big bending like that sometimes appears weird on film. Like, that's kind of how it was for, like, Daniel Hunter. You know, some of those longer guys, like, you kinda underrate when it's a Robert Quinn bending the edge, and it's not a Von Miller who's, like, five two flat. Right?

Speaker 4: Right. So

Speaker 5: we're talking about a guy with a six ten wingspan who's running a sub seven second three cone. That's pretty impressive. I've heard some stuff, like, post draft. There's been, like, reporting about, like, a knee thing. I haven't been able to get any information about that.

Speaker 4: I haven't heard that. So

Speaker 5: Personality wise, I've gotten some feedback on that that that people have talked about, but it's more of like a they almost got, like, a wide receiver mentality more than anything. Like, it's nothing off the field or anything like that. It's just, like, can you really get the guy locked in for, like, practices, really? Because he's good enough to just show up on game day and get, you know, 15 TFLs and 10 sacks like he's been getting in the big 10, right, type of thing. So I think he's probably gonna mature a little bit that way, and that might have, like, worked against him in a deep both edge class in in the draft and in free agency. But the Packers have said Brian Bootcun said that, they tried to trade up in the back of the third round for him on day two, that he was their target and that he ended up falling. And, you know, they if you do the math, like, they probably would've had to send their fifth, sixth, and fourth to move up to the last pick in the third round. So they sat there, still got DDS, and, ended up getting Burton and, Domini Jackson for for the, you know, the fruits of of, waiting and being patient.

Speaker 4: So Burton was my favorite Packers pick. You know, I write that every year. I I I don't I don't do draft grades. I do favorite play favorite picks from each team. And my guy he was one of my guys, Justice. I loved him from the Shrine Bowl where he kicked ass repeatedly. I love the fact that he's got almost a thousand snaps at all three interior offensive line positions. Look, I don't know if he can start in the NFL, but at worst, you got yourselves your sixth lineman for a long time.

Speaker 5: Yeah. And the Packers kinda needed that swing guy. Right? Because we already had a lot of reshuffling, you know, with with Dalton moving to guard, Jenkins moving on for becoming a cap casualty, Sean Ryan getting the contract to play center full time. The Packers didn't really have that next man up. Like, at guard, it maybe would have been like Darien Kennard, but, like, we've only seen him at tackle so far in Green Bay. He played guard previously in Philadelphia at center. It probably would have been Jacob Monk. I think Burton has more raw tools and all that than Jacob Monk does for sure. I think Monk is like

Speaker 4: I would agree.

Speaker 5: I think Burton is more of like a stalemate guy, where, like, Monk, I think you're losing a little bit at the line of scrimmage, and you kinda have that baked in. I think you have it perfect where it's like I think he's a good six man for for the interior line. I think even if he's ever in your starting five, he's probably fifth in that starting five. But we're talking about a fifth round pick, athletic, big guy. Staff has ties there. Kentucky ran like a real offense. They they weren't just, you know, in the gun for every single season that he was there. That's true. You know, with the Wildcats and things. So hopefully, the transition will be a little bit smoother than than some of these other college linemen. So it'll be interesting. I think the starting five in Green Bay is pretty locked up, with the way that they've kind of moved things around. Like, I I would have thought if they were gonna move off at anyone, it would have been Aaron Banks after last year, but they kinda doubled down on that contract they borrowed from it. So he's gonna be around, I think, through at least the twenty seventh season.

Speaker 4: Alright. And the last pick was a kicker. We've known each other long enough that you know that I despise drafting specialists, but sell me on Trey Smack if you can. Aside from he's got a

Speaker 5: bitchin' name. Yeah. I mean yeah. Hits threes is his name. Like, pretty impressive name

Speaker 2: for him.

Speaker 4: That's pretty sweet.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Good start. It was really a one kicker draft. They traded both of their sevens up to to get that sixth round pick and and pick them up. They made it sound like they they didn't love kind of what was available in the seventh round. They brought in a lot of visitors that would have been kind of like seventh round priority free agents compared to their previous seasons. And a lot of those guys ended up getting drafted, like, starting in the fifth round because it was just it's one of those draft classes, Jeff. It it was a weird one. Yes. So it's a it's a one kicker draft. They actually right when we got on, the Packers released Brandon McManus. So they've moved on. They're good.

Speaker 4: Alright. I was just gonna ask you, like, this is Smack's job. Right? Like, or does he have to compete for it?

Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, now now it's just him and Lucas Havrzyk who was, you know, Lucas Havrzyk was a, substitute teacher at one point during last year. So that's the type of competition that we're having for Smack now. It seems like it's gonna be him. It always made sense for it to be Smack once that selection was actually made. I mean, Smack's gonna make, like, 4 and a half million dollars or something like that over four years. Brandon McManus is gonna make 8 over two. My opinion at the time was like, hey. This is Smack's job to lose now. And, obviously, the Packers of Bahrain just made that decision, which is interesting because they gave out a million dollar signing bonus to, or a million dollar roster bonus to Brandon McManus at the start of, March, at the start of the new league year. So I thought he was gonna come back. He was gonna start. Guess not.

Speaker 4: That's that's that's as much as Smack's gonna make this year. That's that's kinda weird. Like, it it almost feels like they decided sort of on the fly that, hey. Maybe we can draft this kicker.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, we had a late, special teams coordinator vacancy, Jeff. So I I think a lot of things Really?

Speaker 4: I I wasn't aware of that. So walk me through that. So what happened? Did did did he go to Miami?

Speaker 5: No. He went to Clemson. He went to Clemson, Jeff. Yeah. He left. I

Speaker 4: missed that.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Moving closer to home is the, the official story.

Speaker 4: We've we've gone through that with once upon a time. That was almost true too. You know how those go. Alright. I want your opinion as a draft guy who happens to be wearing a Packers hat. I won't hold that against you. What do you think of the Lions draft overall?

Speaker 5: I thought you guys did pretty good. I haven't seen the Michigan linebacker. I didn't really study him. The, I try to get to all the top one fifty guys, Jeff. It's kinda my process this year. I started in December. I started when, Micah went down. Packers fans don't like to hear that, but that's the truth of the situation. I started with the offensive line. I started with centers, actually, because, you know, I I knew the whole Elton Janket situation. We were probably gonna be in that market. Now we ended up bringing back Sean Ryan, but that was just kinda my starting point. Blake Miller, He was one of the guys who was around one fifty on the consensus board when I started watching him, and I was like, there's no way. This is this is a first round tackle. And maybe I I don't know if there are people in Lions' world who are, like, maybe 17, maybe a little too rich for Blake Miller. I I don't feel that way at all.

Speaker 4: There's there's some of that. Yeah. For sure.

Speaker 5: He's he's a he's a good tackle. He's a good tackle. He's in I assume he's gonna start on the right side for you guys, and Penay is gonna move left. Yeah. Correct. That makes a lot of sense. Derek Moore in the second round, that one was a little too rich for my blood, honestly. I had him as kind of, like, a mid round guy, like, third, fourth, that that sort of turn. So, you know, first half ish, middle, second round, that was probably a little too high for me. Golder, I already mentioned. I genuinely do not have an opinion on him because I watched a bunch of linebackers, and then we ended up making, like I think that week, I was recording with Tyler Brook. We're like, we're gonna watch linebackers. I've watched linebackers, Jeff, and I'm going through the list, and then the Packers made, I think, three different transactions at linebacker that week. That was when we traded for, Zaire Franklin, and we brought back two of our guys. And I was like, I just wasted this time. We're not gonna take a linebacker. So I stopped

Speaker 4: watching it, guys. Obviously a good pick up too. I like that. I

Speaker 5: I'm hoping. I'm hoping. I just need him to plug plug the AA Gap at the mic spot. Keith Abney, obviously, is the guy that I think everyone is probably pointing to and saying, like, value pick, value pick, value pick. Because I don't I mean, there were a lot of mocks that you know, you could find stuff February, March where Keith Abney was the pick at 52 for the Green Bay Packers that that people had. Now the Packers were never gonna take Abney. They have pretty strict high weight speed stuff, and he doesn't really check the boxes there in terms of size. But you guys play so much man coverage, you know, that might help him in that way. It'll be interesting to see if he's gonna be in the slot or if he's gonna be on the outside for you guys. The the smaller corners because it wasn't just him. It was, what's his name? Chandler Rivers, the kid from Duke. He ended up slipping too. He did. Keontae Scott, even though, you know, he's a slot and he was a little bit older, like, he ended up slipping in the draft. So, like, a lot of the smaller corners ended up slipping this year, which I thought was kinda interesting. So, you know, you guys did kinda pick up that fall. I I think you guys did good there. I haven't like, I've seen the Kentucky offense. I know the guys at Kentucky talk up Kendrick Law and are like, he's more productive than his stats. Like, I I know that that's a thing that kinda comes around with him.

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Speaker 4: I did a film study on him, and he's, like, catching swing passes and, like, that's the extent of his route running. But he's flown with the ball on his hands. And Yeah. The, you know, the Lions when you have Jared Goff as your quarterback, you need guys who can create a little bit after the catch because that's where he's at his best, is hitting guys in stride. You know, as the defense is, you know, breaking, and there there's there's things to work with there. So I'm my fingers are crossed on him. Hopeful.

Speaker 5: Scott Gil Howard is really interesting because he's so small. He's so small as a defensive tackle. It's gonna be interesting to see just how you guys use him and if he's just, like, only a third down guy. I think for him to work at the NFL level, like, you probably have to play him on, like, special teams somewhere, like, on kickoff return and stuff like that. Not as a returner, obviously, but as a blocker. It's just kinda hard harder for those undersized defensive tackles now more than ever. And then I I didn't pay attention to Tyre West, the, the second edge from Tennessee. I I don't have thoughts on him.

Speaker 4: You didn't you didn't miss a ton. I'm in the middle of the film study on him, and I'm still wondering how he got drafted. But

Speaker 5: He wasn't on my list.

Speaker 4: Yeah. He wasn't on a lot of people's lists. I think he was so, Arif Hassan, who does the the main consensus board that everybody is ripping on right now,

Speaker 5: I asked him No one mentions. He he will not reply to you. Go fire off takes at him. Love messing

Speaker 4: with a reef. We we yes. We love a reef. We really do. But he I

Speaker 5: just don't know how he has the energy the week of the the week coming off of the draft to start arguing with people. I'm like, no, man.

Speaker 4: I'm good. He was a debate guy. And,

Speaker 5: He was. He was. Yeah. That never really leaves you.

Speaker 4: No. It doesn't. But I'd asked him about Wes, and he was like, because I he wasn't on my list for prospects. And I'm like, how many people actually listed him? And he's like, out of one I I think he said out of one thirty five, I think he was on, like, 25. Like, oh, okay. So that's that's where we are. Just in general look. I've had I had Tyler Fornus on to talk about the Vikings. I've got a couple Bears guys that are coming up. Your thoughts on what they did in the draft real quick as we look around the NFC NFC North?

Speaker 5: Chicago had a weird draft because I really like some of their picks, and then some of them, I didn't. Like, Logan Jones to me is a backup, and they drafted him 57. Right?

Speaker 4: And I'm not So I just I just had Chris Serpaso on, and he said the same thing. He's like, I don't get that pick. I'm like

Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm Same. That's the one where I was like, what are we doing? And then the Xavien Thomas thing was a little weird too where it's like, okay. He's like, he's gonna be like a little returner water bug for you, but did you have to take that in the top a 100? Like, that's Right. A pretty significant pick. Thienanmen at 25, I think, made a lot of sense. I would I'm I'm an Oregon guy.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 5: I thought Thienanmen as, like, a top 50 guy a whole lot more than, like, when you started saying mocks and he was getting mocked, like, 12 to the cowboys and stuff. I'm like, dude, what are what are we doing? Well, I'll be because of the 40 yard dash. I didn't really understand that.

Speaker 2: So talk me talk me through that a

Speaker 4: little bit because he was a popular like, as as Lions' hands picking where we did, like, there were some people that were, like, I really like Dylan Tatum as our first round pick. But you you are an Oregon guy. You you are, in fact, a duck. Like, you know, walk me through what what you saw from

Speaker 5: him. Yeah. I mean, like, I talked to guys on that staff. Right? And when he ran the four three or whatever, I texted him, and I was like, do you guys think he was a four three guy? And they were like, we thought he was, like, a four five guy. Right? So I I think the combine workout really helped. Then I'm in. And then, obviously, all of the ties to Minnesota too, everyone just kinda had him plugged into Minnesota and were like, white safety for white safety. Like, white white safety for white safety. Let's just make the swap right now.

Speaker 4: So

Speaker 5: that was just kinda my thought on, Deneman. Rausch is interesting because he's got the short arms, but he's a good blocking tight end. I mean, they're just gonna be a, you know, b I t c h to play in terms of the tight ends and the matchups and stuff like that that the Bears can kinda deploy moving forward. I like Malik Muhammad, the corner out of Texas. I think he made a lot of sense in the Packers scheme, where, you know, he's he's a click and close corner. He's a little bit smaller. Again, kinda like, you know, Cisse type of frame, but a different playing style. It's gonna be interesting to see how he fits in there because, you know, Dennis Allen wants to play he wants to play man, and he wants to play quarters. And it's gonna be an interesting question to see if Muhammad can kinda play play man coverage that much. Kayshawn Elliot, I know he had a lot of fans again. I stopped watching linebackers after a certain point, so I didn't get to him. Jordan Vandenberg was a guy that the Packers brought in on a pre draft visit. I ended up actually watching him. He's weird, man, because he's this super athletic nose tackle. All of his best clips were, him beating reach blocks. Like, I don't I don't know how often you can say that about a nose tackle. So there's something there, but he's not fully developed for sure. As far as Minnesota goes, I really like both of the defensive tackles that they got. Caleb Banks, like, obviously, there's the injury risk there and all that stuff, but, like, the potential is through the roof. Dominique Orange, I I was a big fan of him. I would have considered him at 52. They end up getting him at 82. Not a fan of Jake Golladay at 51, the linebacker. I don't really get it. I I kinda think he's gonna be a special teams guy long term, honestly. I get I gave him a, you know, like, a fifth round grade. Obviously, there were people who are a lot higher on him throughout the draft process. I think I was a little bit of a on an island with Golladay, but, you know, they played him as, like, this, like, Will, Nickel type of guy. He comes from a pass rushing background. On paper, he's athletic. But if you watch him in space, not really, but, like, he's

Speaker 4: a big body too. Man. He he starts flat footed so often. Yeah. And we've had that with Jack Campbell. But Jack Campbell that has enough, like, everything else that that he compensates for it. I'm not sure that Golday has that.

Speaker 5: Yeah. So with Golday, I I just I think he's gonna end up being a guy who just helps you on, like, punt protection and stuff long term. I think he's gonna get exposed on defect. I'm I know. I know.

Speaker 4: That left's a tough second round pick, man.

Speaker 5: But I know. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like that second round pick. Caleb Tiernan is so weird because, like, a lot of these guys who had short arms at tackle, we expected it. Right? Like, Trey Zune,

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 5: Brian Parker. Like, the whole narrative going into the draft cycle was, hey. Everyone knows they got short arms. Yeah. We're gonna try to get them to move to center already, like, at the at the all star games and things like that. Tiernan was a guy who showed up. He's super tall, but he's got the short arms. So you're like, well, he's like six six eight. Can we really play him at center? It's it's this weird thing. He's more of a pass protector. He's not really like a guy who's gonna get any push in the run game. It's gonna be interesting to see what his career looks like because there's I I don't think that we have, like, a one on one comparison for Tiernan. He's he's such a weird

Speaker 4: It's hard to be a center when you're over, like, six five. Yeah. A a couple guys have done it, but it it's difficult. And I don't I don't see, like, one of the the prototype for the tall center for me is Alex Mack, who was, I think, six five, maybe a little over six five.

Speaker 5: Mhmm.

Speaker 4: But he was ridiculously athletic and flexible. I will never forget the first time I went to the Senior Bowl. First warm ups, Alex Mack is out there in his Cal helmet. Dude does the splits full, like, ball sack to the ground and gets up without using his hands. I'm like, holy crap. Like, that's not Caleb Tiernan. Yeah.

Speaker 5: I mean, he turned around I think Alec Alex Mack is, like, underrated hall of fame guy because he turned around two different offenses. Like

Speaker 4: 100%, man.

Speaker 5: He he fully unlocked those two different offenses in two different spots. Jacoby Thomas, the safety out of Miami, I didn't get to him. I saw Miami in passing. He will forever be he went ahead of Keontay Scott. Like, that was just my reaction when when that pick was turned in. And then Keontay didn't

Speaker 4: react. Younger. That might have something to do with it. But

Speaker 5: Yeah. That's that's a little bit of a factor, but I I still think I would've taken Keontae Scott. Brennerson, the fullback out of Michigan, no thoughts. Charles Deming, the corner out of Stephen f Austin. I ended up watching him. He's interesting for where they took him. They took him one sixty three. Athletic guy. I I think he could play teams. We'll see if he ends up being able to make that transition at the next level. Damon Claiborne, the running back out of Wake Forest, at that point, I'm not complaining about anything. And I haven't seen the, seventh round center out of Cincinnati, Gavin Gerhardt. I I just didn't watch him.

Speaker 4: I I don't even know that he exists, honestly. That's the way it is.

Speaker 5: Hard hitting analysis.

Speaker 4: Yes. That that's a hey. The the number one we've we have had this conversation before. Saying I don't know

Speaker 5: Mhmm.

Speaker 4: Is powerful. There are too many people that refuse to say it and try to bullshit their way through it, man. And that's why we've been friends for a long time because we don't do that. We don't play the game.

Speaker 5: I'm very I was very open with my goals. I was like, look. I'm gonna spend a ton of time watching film. I hope I watch the top one fifty. Right? The fact that people are coming out with, like, top 500 rankings already on the 27 class, I'm like, alright. Well, then how much value are we gonna put into these rankings?

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. It's a baseline. Summer scouting is a baseline. You're looking to see if guys improve. If they don't, what are they offering? What are you looking at? It's it's nothing more than a watch list for me.

Speaker 5: When when William Mueller is still ranked in the one fifties in December, right, I think we gotta start evaluating the evaluators.

Speaker 4: Amen to that. We'll end it on that. Justice Mosqueda, thank you so much for joining me. I I sincerely miss you, my friend. We we gotta get back together in person again sometime soon.

Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. For sure. I'm hopefully, I'll make the trip to, Indianapolis next year.

Speaker 4: Awesome. Will be great to see you. Alright. Justice Mosqueda, everybody. Acme Packing Company. With that, we're gonna call it a show. Jeff Risen with the Detroit Lions podcast, Daily DLP, signing out. You're good to do one another, everybody.