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Speaker 5: Hey, everyone. Jeff Risen here with your Daily DLP. It is Wednesday, June 3. You made it to the middle of the week. Congratulations. Today's show was going to be an extension of some of the content from yesterday's show, which dealt with the Miles Garrett trade to the Rams and the Rams becoming prohibitive favorites and how teams like that have fared over time. Did a lot of research on that yesterday. But we're gonna table that for a day that will wind up being tomorrow's daily, barring any other breaking news on the lion's front. But as I'm pouring the morning coffee, seeing my daughter off to one of the last days of school for the year by the way, the fact that they're still in school, ridiculous. School needs to be over in May for a different show. Sorry. Adam Schefter broke some news. Let me pull it up here. The Detroit Lions have hired former Dolphins GM Chris Greer as a personnel executive per league sources. Many Detroit local people quickly verified that information. Chris Greer is elicit some strong reactions from Miami people, and they're not positive. That's probably putting it kindly. He was there for a long time, and we'll get into what he might do and not do with the lions throughout the course of the conversation. But let's let's go over who Chris Grier is. Grier was the GM for the Dolphins for nine plus seasons. Started over in 2015. His first move as GM was hiring this guy as the head coach. That's Adam Gase. He'd been fired by the jets. Greer couldn't wait to get his hands on that guy. Yeah. Not a great start. Did get better, believe it or not. Pull up his, record here. Pro football reference. Scroll down a little bit. 8283 record. Did go to the playoff three times, did not win a playoff game. That reminds you of the alliance with Matthew Stafford. You're probably not mistaken there, although they don't really coincide there. Final year. Now this gets an asterisk, though, because the record the final record was seven and ten. When he was fired on Halloween, the Dolphins were two and seven. So subtract five wins and three losses from that, and that puts him at seventy seven and eighty. So, yeah. Had a successes, but also has some down years. And if you look we just look at the from 2020 on, COVID year on, they've been remarkably mediocre. Like, the best was eleven and six. The worst, seven and ten. But they were never good enough to get out of that hump. They were sort of in the, in a purgatory area, we'll call it. Too good to be bad, not bad enough to to get better. That's that's a tough spot. And then, like, some look. He's the general manager, so ultimately, the buck does stop at his desk just as we judge Brad Holmes on his wins and losses and how his moves contribute to those wins and losses. Greer's kinda kept that team in neutral because he had some bosses, he had some minuses. Just overall, he's a football lifer. His dad was the director of player personnel for the Houston Texans from their inception, actually, before they even had a team, through 2016. I'll say he did a pretty good job there. His brother is the GM of the San Jose Sharks in the NHL. Played for a very long time. That's that's my career. Good quality NHL. I don't follow the NHL close enough to know the ins and outs of how well he's done. Dude watched game one last night. Great game between the Canes and the, the Golden Knights. I am somewhat of a Carolina Hurricanes fan simply because I went to their first ever game in Greensboro. I happen to be in the area on business at the time and no. I'm from Cleveland. We don't have a team. The we had the Barons when I was super little, but I don't really remember that. Had the Crusaders with the bitchin' purple and white jerseys with the Crusader on the front. Those are those are sweet. Didn't grow up with hockey. Didn't really get into hockey until I was in college. So don't can't speak on that. He worked under his dad with the patriots during the Pete Carroll area, which is the time that immediately precedes Tom Brady. Sort of a disappointing, frustrating time for the Patriots where they did, in fact, make a Super Bowl at the beginning of that. They they lost. But they also were, like, mediocre. Like, too too good to be bad, but not bad enough to get better in the draft and so forth. And, you know, getting the fourth place schedule, which is even more of an asset back then than it is now. Fifth place schedule at that time, for a bit. He's got a scouting background. He was a director of collegiate scouting. He did identify some talent. He does have an eye for certain positions better than others, which I think is true for most talent evaluators. Even those of us in the Internet draft community, those those who cover the draft in the draft media, We all have our better and worse positions. I seem to be history has proven that I'm pretty good at identifying defensive backs, and identifying which quarterbacks are gonna be bad. I have an uncanny track record at that. He should've listened to me about Tua because Tua is the signature move that he made as a drafter, and it did not work. Now it it wasn't an abhorrent failure, and that's that's sort of the the rub with a lot of Greer's things. Like, two is not awful. Like, he was good enough to keep them in the middle of the pack. Had his moments. Drafted Jaylen Waddle. Good pick. Now drafted Jaylen Waddle instead of Jaymar Chase or, you know, this guy, Pena Sewell. No offense to Jaylen Waddle, but he he ain't either of those guys. Imagine how different the lion's world would be if Chris Greer had drafted Pene Sewell when he had the chance instead of Galen Waddle?

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Speaker 5: Pull that case picture back up. Yeah. That's the reaction to that. This is one of those, by the way, that if you're just listening to the audio only version, you'll probably wanna check out the, the video at YouTube, or Spotify, wherever you can watch videos of it, because it it'll be a fun one. Because I drink more coffee. Long night last night. Good night, but long night. So Greer. Pull him up here. Nine seasons of this GM. Again, we the my the reaction from Miami folks has been somewhere between, like, what? And, oh my god. Yeah. They didn't like him. Nobody in their media really liked him. Now that's inconsequential. Like, it's not a prerequisite that the media like you if you're gonna be a successful GM or head coach. I think Bill Belichick proved that. I think Jim Caldwell proved that to some extent. But it's weird seeing people from other like, my friend Kevin Turner, who, does radio in Dallas with with Spike. Oh my god. A lot of the reactions have been, what? What are the lions doing? Now I don't necessarily wanna defend Chris Greer, but let me give you an idea of why he's in Detroit and what he might be doing in Detroit. Because I've seen this movie before with the Cleveland Browns when they hired Ryan Grigson, who had been the GM of the Colts. And his tenure with the Colts was largely seen as somewhere between disappointing and disastrous. And they brought him in, and he worked as a personnel executive assistant type thing. Lions have history on this too, and I'll get to that in a second. One what happened with Grigson, he didn't do a lot. He focused very narrowly on what he did do well in Indianapolis and sort of rebuilt himself. Okay. It's not super encouraging. And that's that's where I wanna get with this, with the lions. This is not a guy who's gonna be making decisions. I'm not sure how much influence he will have over Brad Holmes or Chris Spielman or John Dorsey. By the way, he and Dorsey traded together once upon a time when, Dorsey was GM of the Chiefs. That's the ties go back deep with this. I'm gonna bring up an article here, and I will I gotta get it queued. Alright. Here we go. Okay. Oh, I gotta alright. Let's bring this up. This is this is what I want. Revisiting Greer's hits and misses as GM. This is from the day he was fired, Halloween last year, from Miami Dolphins on SI, Alain Pupar. I don't know Alain, so I can't speak to, his general preclude, but it's a good article. I think it's fairly well balanced here, and I'll scroll down here. The big misses. This is what this is what y'all wanna see. The big misses and then the hits. The misses. We've done too many early draft picks over the past decade, a trend that started with his first first round pick, Charles Harris. Hey. We know him. He came to Detroit and had a decent cup of coffee before the dregs at the bottom rose up. Noah Agbonogany in 2020, Liam Eichenberg in 2021, Channing Tindle in '22, Cam Smith in 2023. The Cam Smith one really stands out because that was one where a lot of us in the online evaluators were like, what is he doing? Now I will say, I did like Noah Igbonogony. I didn't think I thought it was too high for him, but I I I at least understood. Very athletic cornerback out of Auburn. Actually had some similarities to what Terry Ann Arnold is now in that he was very athletic, but didn't always trust it, and got grabby and got panicky much more than Therion. Therion's already a significantly better player than than Iqbal Nagy is, but It took Kenneth Grant last year instead of Tyler Warren. K. That's that's a little nitpicky. It's one year. I do like Kenneth Grant. I think he's gonna be a good player. Tyler Warren, obviously, a very good player. This is this is the list. Now now, unfortunately, you can to be fair to Greer, you can do this with just about every GM. You can do this with Brad Holmes when we've probably done it with Brad Holmes. Charles Harris over TJ Watt, two over Justin Herbert, Austin Jackson over Justin Jefferson, Abernogarty over Jonathan Taylor and Antoine Winfield. I mean, if you if you read these, Chop Robinson over Quinn Young Mitchell. By the way, that Chop Robinson bit not not working out very well. He's had some misses. Okay. That's that's fine. The Tyreek Hill trade, the Bradley Chubb trade, they're counted as somewhat misses. Now the hits. Now this is where and this struck me because we have talked about how Brad Holmes has sacrificed value in the draft in trades, excessive value to get his guys. This is one area where Chris Greer actually did a pretty good job in Miami. And I'll read this. The reality is that Greer usually got good value in the trades he orchestrated with the caveat caveat that it helps when the team is willing to make a financial commitment to a player whose team doesn't want to do that. And that immediately references the Laramie Tunsil deal. They traded Laramie Tunsil to the Texans, that netted them all sorts of high draft picks. Now this is the one because this is the draft day trade. The Dolphins also got great value in a draft straight involving picks in the twenty twenty one draft when they got two future first round picks to move down from three to 12. But from this vantage point, that win was also somewhat negated when they turned around and traded one of those future number ones to move back up to number six. And this is where the part comes in. And then it also says here, I'm quoting him here, The Dolphins made a big mistake by taking Jalen Waddle even though he's a very good receiver instead of Pene Sewell, who has become an elite tack on his way to the hall of fame. Thank you for stroking the lion's ego. We appreciate that. The drafts moves in the draft that easy for me to read. Coffee break. Think about things for a second. The moves up in the draft more often than not have not panned out. Latest example being this year's move up in the second round to get Jonas Abayana, who has struggled so far as a rookie. It was the same scenario with Liam Eichenberg in the second round. That is more of an evaluation miss than a draft trade value miss. This is more of Brad Holmes looking at Broderick Martin and saying, I think that guy can be our starting nose tackle in two years, and now he's out of the league. So it's it's interesting, you know, the the pluses and the minuses. What is Greer gonna do in Detroit? He might not do much of anything. He might help with John Dorsey in some vague way. I've known John Dorsey for many years. I still don't know super well what exactly he does. Like, what exactly do you do here? Sort of a right hand man to to Brad Holmes and Ray Agnew. Have to bring up the potential, and I don't know the answer to this, But it could be that maybe Chris Greer has the same agent as somebody else within the Lions Front office, and they're doing him a solid. That happens, y'all. Happens more than you think. Certainly happens around this time of year when scouting staffs get shuffled, for if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, by the way, ITL, inside the lines or inside the league, did a great piece last week about all of the scouting department movements around the league, who got fired, who got hired, who got promoted, that sort of thing. If you're into that, check that out. It's cool. Sign up for the newsletter. It's ITL, Rick Seratella and, oh god. I can see him. I can't think of his name. It'll come to me, and I'll it'll come to me after I as soon as I hit end recording on the show, it'll come to me. That is but back to Greer. Don't look at this as anything more than a minor blip. Am I thrilled that Chris Greer is in Detroit? No. I don't think he did a very good job as a GM at all. And, actually, one of the other articles as I was scanning through stuff this morning was and and the title was, how the hell does Chris Greer stay employed? And it was from 2024. He got another year, half a year out of it. He was not popular. Again, we don't know what he's gonna do. I'm gonna try my best. I mean that. To withhold judgment on, you know, should we be excited about this? Should we hate it? Should we storm Allen Park and demand that he get fired immediately? Like, let let let let this let this brew a little bit. Let's let it percolate and see what he winds up doing. He is a very he's got thirty years of scouting experience. When you've been in the league that long, you're gonna have your hits. You're gonna have your misses. Hopefully, you've got a cache of knowledge enough to draw upon that he can be helpful with and I'm just throwing this out there as an example. Let's say they're looking at a player from South Carolina next year. South Carolina's got a good you'll be watch if you're if you're into the twenty twenty seven NFL Draft, you'll be watching some South Carolina for sure. They they they're gonna be I don't know if they're gonna be a good college football team, but they are certainly, gonna be an interesting team to watch for the pros. But let's say your area scout down there and your collegiate scouting director have a disagreement about a player. Like, do we like this guy? Do we not like this guy? Does he fit us? Greer can give you an experienced seasoned eye and thirty years of experience as an evaluator in discerning whether that player can play in the NFL, and, hopefully, Greer is smart enough to learn the Lions' culture quickly that he can make decisions like that. I suspect you will see him noted as somebody and people tweet these out every week. Like,

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Speaker 5: it it's sort of a a rite of passage for, people who are, like, beat writers for I I know Notre Dame. I know my friend Kyle Kelly who, once upon a time worked for me at Brown's Wire way back in the day, tweets out, like, the picture of who all is from there from the NFL. And you might see Chris Greer's name representing the Detroit Lions at games like that. That's entirely possible. I'm gonna say that he's gonna wind up being lower in the decision matrix, but not excluded from the decision matrix. That's my that's my read on it from news that's an hour old, subject to change. If the lions wanna provide more insight on that, bring it, please. We we always like more information. More information is more data points. That's good. Good things. So I'm not gonna tell you to have your reaction, like, overjoyed or dismayed. It's it's not a move that I would have made, but that's okay. I'm not in Allen Park. They don't wanna don't wanna be charged with making those sorts of decisions. That's what that's what Brad Holmes does. In general, the front office has done a very good job of hiring people within the scouting department as well. The only real issues we've had have been when Dan Campbell has chosen poorly, is offensive coordinators. Beyond that, I think the team has done a very good job of hiring, and I hope that Greer continues that. Now this more than likely, this is just my speculation here, but it comes from knowing how this how this game gets played. Greer is trying to get back into a higher level position with another team, And this is a way for him to regain his footing to show that he can work within another organization, learn different things that are outside of his okay. Again, his dad was a long time NFL personnel exec. He said he's he was brought up a certain way with a certain football vision and mindset. And what Brad Holmes and the lions offer is very different from that. This is not although Dan Campbell did come from the Parcells' Belichick tree, which is where Greer actually came from and his dad came from as well. It's different. It's a chance for him to regain some status and some, some good standing to maybe get another GM job or to become we'll play this forward. Let's say Ray Agnew gets hired somewhere else as a GM this off season, which is plausible. He just interviewed for the Minnesota job. He's he's not he didn't get that job. They hired they made an interesting hire, probably for another show. We're gonna get a a Vikings guest back on closer to the season to talk more about the no thine enemy sort of thing. But, Greer is a guy who could slide into that. That's that that's probably what his motivation is. It's for the lions. They wanna see what he can offer. If it doesn't work, this is not it's not gonna burn the building down. It's not gonna tear away all that has been built. But his track record look I have it. There are ways that he can help, but there are also ways where I don't really want him helping. And, you know, in this business, you're probably gonna see a lot more extreme takes than that, which is fine. I'm not gonna get that way on one one hour of knowing this information. But I do expect to see a lot of negativity directed towards the lions hiring Chris Greer. And based on his Miami time, it's certainly not unwarranted. That doesn't mean that's what he's gonna do in Detroit. We have to see yet. Trying to be measured and mature about it. Trying very hard, so suck down more coffee here. Yep. So that's today's show. Got a little waylaid from what it was going to be. You will get that show tomorrow. Probably recording it tonight just as a spoiler. But, yeah, it's gonna be, it'll be a fun one. I I hope that tomorrow's show will be encouraging for a lot of fans who have basically thrown themselves into the nearest body of water, drowning their sorrows over the fact that the Rams got mouse Garrett. There's some data out there that says that it's a good move, but also it's not the end of the world. And we'll talk about that. Wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone for yesterday's show where I talked about my heart surgery. Several people reached out to me both publicly and also behind the scenes, and I really do appreciate that. Again, I'm I'm sincere about this. If you, like, wanna talk about heart issues like that, I had aortic valve replacement surgery. It's not a terribly uncommon thing. If you've gone through it and you wanna just, you know, shoot the crap with with somebody else who's gone through it, jeffrison@gmail.com. Make sure you indicate in the subject, though, that that's what you wanna talk about. I get a tremendous amount of weird email, that I don't always scan through. And, unfortunately, I've missed some some decent interactions with it where people will come back and, like, hey. You never responded to me. Like, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I get it. The better way to get me, social media at Jeff Rizdon, at Twitter, at, J Riz nineteen on Blue Sky, Jeff Rizlin Lions NFL on Facebook. You can also hit, Detroit Lions podcast. Chris is in the process of setting up a separate account thing for me to get things here. We'll work on that. We are still efforting to try to do a live show as soon as Chris is physically capable of doing it. He's not dying, but he's not he he he suffered a a injury that, it that's put him on IR for a little bit. So, hopefully, we can get back to that soon. I am also trying to get a couple of guests for later this week, into the weekend. We hope that pans out. But, until then, Jeff Riston signing out. Be good to one another, everybody. Please?