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Speaker 4: Hey, everyone. Jeff Rosen here with your Daily DLP. Welcome to the weekend. Hope you can enjoy enjoyable time here. I brought back, former guest, longtime colleague, and somebody that, I think you will wanna hear from. Former Cleveland Browns scout, Scott DiBenedetto. He's got his own substack, the debrief, which you wanna be a part of. It's it's awesome. Scott, welcome back. How you doing, buddy?

Speaker 5: Good, man. Thanks for having me back, Jeff. Yeah. I mean, we talked off air about some wild stuff going on in my house with, after post hailstorm, but, you know, I guess it it was better than it happening pre draft, you know, at least. I'll I'll so that's, I guess, a bit of a silver lining. But, yeah, we're doing good other than that.

Speaker 4: Good. Yeah. Yeah. Not not the hailstorm not the banned hailstorm. So

Speaker 5: Right. Right. Right.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. So, we talked before the draft. Folks can look back in the archives to remember. But, you know, we talked about offensive line prospects quite a bit. You were a big Caden Proctor guy. I was not so much. It wound up that the Lions didn't have to worry about that. They you got drafted before then. But they did take Blake Miller in the first round, and, we just loved your scouting eye insights on what what lines are getting in Blake Miller.

Speaker 5: Yeah. I I I sent you a message earlier. Like, I I really wish that we had been able to talk about Caden Proctor as a Detroit line just to see how you would have reacted. But anyway, no. I yeah. Blake Miller, like, it's like he's I mean, I'm one of the most, if not the most experienced players, you know, in the draft. Played, you know, all four years at at Clemson, started, got a ton of snaps, Very reliable. I think, like, kinda what, you know, the consensus is just like he I don't know. I don't think his ceiling, like, is very high. Like, I don't know how much better he's gonna get. Now that said, he's he's gonna be, like just exact very reliable, very steady, you know, probably right out the gate, like, in year one. And, obviously, like, moving Sewell over to left side, got a good right tackle that, you know, young guy, which you can probably have, you know, five years of control over, hopefully. But young guy, reliable right out the gate. You know, very big, obviously, like, moves well enough. I think he's like for how tall he is, he he's a bit of a you know, he plays very upright, which I think gets him in trouble sometimes. But he is, like, athletic enough. He's strong enough, to really, like, just be just be, like, consistently, like, steady performer, on the right side. And, like, that's that's what you're gonna look for in year one. Again, I I'm not sure how much better he's going to get. I just think his athletic profile is gonna, like, limit his ceiling. But if you get, like, just capable starter play for the next, you know, you know, maybe give him a little bit of leeway year one, but then, you know, the next three, four years after that, you get capable starter play. Like, if you can't ask for much more, like, you know, off of a right tackle, and then when you have, you know, one of, if not the best, now left tackles in the game, you know, in Sewell. Like, I think you're gonna be they're gonna they're gonna like what they line of stands are gonna like what they get in Miller. Again, I don't think he's gonna be the flashy guy who's, like, never gonna give up sack, but, like, he's gonna be just very consistent, and you're not gonna have to worry about him once he really gets into the flow of, you know, of the NFL.

Speaker 4: It sounds like describing Taylor Decker as a left tackle, honestly. Yeah.

Speaker 5: That worked out well. You know, that worked out well.

Speaker 4: It did. It absolutely did. Any trepidation on your part, I'll bank a couple of things here. In moving Sewell to the left, and I don't think that you're gonna have any issue with that. But also the concept that Tate Ratlidge is the right guard. And you're gonna have a right side of the line with a second year player and a rookie. Any worry or concern about that at all?

Speaker 5: I see that's a fair point. I don't I think there I mean, there's gonna be some some bumps. Like, I think what if you have, like, young guys playing together, you know, I think I've mentioned this before. I think with you, it's like the the good part or the good thing for those guys is how, like, the continuity of the rest of the line, the, like, the coaching stat, like, the just everything they got working, like, for the offense as a whole is really gonna help the young guys come along quicker. And, I mean, they just they'll be able to protect them. You know, obviously, like, it's yeah. I I would expect to see a tight end lineup to Blake Miller a lot. You know, they'll they'll hopefully not put them in too many situations where they're just both on an island. And, like, I think just being a smart play caller and, like, smart coaching staff will be able to, like, kinda help those guys along, especially early in the year. I mean, I I I I can't imagine there's not gonna be some kind of, you know, bumps or speed bumps or whatever on the on the way, especially early next year. But, like, I think they have a really good like, the the infrastructure of the team is gonna help them a lot and, like, just put them in good situations. So, I mean, yes, I I can't say it's not it's gonna be perfect, but, like, I think that it'll be it should come along quicker than, you know, it might at other places with, like, a little bit lesser staff or just worse situation overall offensively.

Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know if I asked you about this the last time, but you were in Cleveland when Petzing was there, and he is our new OC. Just your general overview on Drew Petzing. I know he was I believe he was just a tight ends coach when you were there, but that's that's still getting some significance there.

Speaker 5: Yeah. No. I I I like Drew a lot. He I mean, he helped me, like, figure out a lot of stuff with, the offense we were running at the time. Really, like, open really smart guy, really open to new stuff. I know, like, I think, like, you could kinda say he wasn't necessarily utilizing Marvin Harrison junior the right way in Arizona, but I think, like, you put I he's got a lot better tools to work with here in Detroit, you know, overall and a lot better system to work with. So, you know, I think he really will he's gonna, like, he's gonna be able to put his best foot forward. And, like, I again, I I liked you a lot. He's he he knows his stuff. You know, I think it again, there there's gonna be, like give him a little bit of runway, but, like, you know, the team is ready to go. So, like, that should help move things along quickly.

Speaker 4: So, yesterday's yeah. I had Scott Bishop on yesterday, and we talked a little bit about Marvin Harrison Junior. And I'll I'll just throw this at you, and if you can decline the answer if you want to. But what the hell? Like, what happened there?

Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't know, man. I mean, look at quarterback you're dealing with. Like, it just it never really, like, came to get I don't know. I mean, there's a lot going on there, and, it's like it it just it's a it became a bad situation, quickly. You know? Like, the head coach wasn't great realistically. Like, probably shouldn't have been a head coach. You know? Well, I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 4: I don't

Speaker 5: wanna jump down the store too far, but, like, it was it wasn't the best situation. You know? So, like, it's a tough look for your first go around as a, you know, play caller, but, like, you know, again, he's he's moved up to a to a much better stable situation. So, like, that should enhance his ability, you know, in a good for a good, everybody get him out there.

Speaker 4: Good. Yeah. I'm I'm with you on that. I I I like Drew. I think,

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Speaker 4: I go back to what he did with David Njoku, teaching chief to block. Like Yeah. Wow. Because Yeah. He didn't do that, and then he did. And he became really, really good at it like like that. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Move on in the draft. Lions draft. They took Derrick Moore, defensive end slash edge from Michigan. This is, this is one where a lot of a lot of us expected that the Lions would have interest in him. So he was a guy that a lot of us focused on, and it seems like he's been generally fairly well received, if not that the pick was maybe a little bit earlier than expected. I wonder what your you thought about of Derek Moore as a prospect.

Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, I liked him liked him as a prospect for sure. Like, I think he had, like, a good you kinda you look at, like, at least how I kinda look at, like, DMs. If you like, if you're coming into the NFL and you have, like, a calling card, you know, for at least, like, as a rusher or just as a run defender, like, you know, that's gonna just make you a lot smoother transition to lead. And, like, he has that in, like, the power, and the ability to kinda, like, run through guys on a bull rush in, you know, pass rushing situations. I think, like, is he, you know, hopefully hopefully, he's the book the bookend DN to Hutchinson on the other side, you know, for for the next group of years here. You know, I I liked him as a prospect. Again, I think, like, his I'm not sure what the ceiling or how high the ceiling will get. But, like, he's going to he he knows how to win, as a rusher. I think he can with the bull rush, he can definitely work on a counter off of that, but, like, I you know, he he knows what he's doing and, like, there's there's good flashes to work with. Like his run game stuff, I think he can get better, and I think he's in a good system to get better with that. Like, good good, again, good pieces around him to, like, teach him how to play the run game in the NFL. You know, tough being tough, aggressive, you know, like, how the Lions play around defense. So I think that that will help. You know, yeah. Was it was it early? You know, I maybe. I mean, I think you in in day two, you know, really, like, either second or third round guy should see the field, you know, in year one. So, like, you know, is he is he gonna be, like, the best second round pick of all time? I don't I don't know. Probably not. You know, odds are. But, like, is he gonna be a a solid contributor? Yeah. Like, he I think there's a good chance that he's a very solid contributor, you know, pretty early. And they're gonna give him a shot, obviously, like and and I think that the thing that, like, where you could say it's a bit of an early pick is just how, like, much of a rotational or much of a rotation Michigan used. So, like, he wasn't just, like, you know, every down, every series. Like, he's the guy, but that doesn't mean that he can't become that player or he that he can't become a very productive player in a similar role, you know, in the NFL. So, like, obviously, the hope is that he's the the the longer term starter across from Hutchinson. But, like, you know that he can be productive in that rotational role. And if that's what he becomes, like, you know, at least year one, like, he he knows that role. He knows how to be productive in it. And, like, I think that's a good way to start, you know, getting into the end of the league.

Speaker 4: They stayed with Michigan. The other Michigan man in Jimmy Roller, the guy who rose up like, I he I'll be honest, Scott. He wasn't even on my watch list to start the year, and I I go to Michigan games. Like, I just hadn't seen it. And then all of a sudden, you're like, this guy can really play. Like, there there there might be something there in the playoffs. I got him on the fourth round. Just your thoughts on on Rolder and how he fits in if and what what he might offer for Detroit.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Another, like, solid Sammy, I'm a feel like a broken record, but, like, solid, like, set and now steady player at least over the one year as, you know, as a starter. I think, like, to pick up a guy like Rolder in the fourth round, like, with his size, like, at six two, like, that's that's pretty good. You're not getting, like, some, you know, run through a litter or just like a guy who has a really bad, like, bad physical makeup just because it's the fourth round. Like, he he's got the look. He's got the build, physical, aggressive, like, good tackler. Is he is he a starter right away? Probably not. You know, probably shouldn't be, but, like, is he a special team starter right away? Probably. And, you know, or is he gonna play his ass off on on special teams? Yeah. So, like, it can that guy then the the the hope is that then he can become either rotational or, like, you know, is he a spot starter, you know, year two? Is he eventually a starter, like, years or, like, on the you know, maybe it's, like, final year of his deal. He's the starter. You know? But, like, I think you're gonna get a guy who's gonna stick. Like, he has the he's a fourth round pick, but he has a lot of traits and, like, mentality to stick, and, like, really be a a capable, like, productive player in, like, in that, like, you know, is he not linebacker fifth or sixth linebacker, but, like, a starting special team teamer plays all four phases, and is just a really, like, hard worker, really competitive, and, like, he kinda get after it in whatever role he has. So, like, I think, again, it's a good thing. Again, the one year of production probably is what made him kinda dip or or, that's just it, fall, and then, like, wasn't really on everybody's watch list. But, like, it looked pretty good, you know, in in that one year. So I think that's another another really good, defensive player, you know, to pick up in the fourth round.

Speaker 4: Good deal. Just, to go to go along with that, like, the fourth round, the Lions didn't have a lot of openings necessarily for jobs, and we'll we'll sort of lump the the rest of the day three guys together. Did any of those guys stand out as either really good or really bad picks, whether it's, you know, Kendrick Law, Skyler Gil Howard, you know, Tyree West was a guy who I hadn't even watched Yeah. Going into the draft. Anything there at all?

Speaker 5: So oh, I mean, I I so alright. So I'll start with the second part. Like, the the Gil Skyler Gil Howard, Tyree West, like, you know, when you get to that play in the draft, you're filling depth pieces. You know, they're not all Tom Brady, six round picks that become, you know, starters. But, like, I think I think Gil Scott Hill Howard actually has I mean, he's a great story. Like, you know, the background is, like, phenomenal. That's like are you're you're you're not even really expecting any of these guys to necessarily make the team. But, like, he's gonna have the mentality or he should have the mentality to, like, know know what he's gotta do to, like, stick around and, like, will he I don't I don't think he has the build to really, like, do it, you know, long term, but, like, it I think it physically, he just is he's gonna have to rely on his quickness and, like, he's gonna probably get caught, you know, more times than you'd like with a double team, and just kinda you have to live with it just based off of his physical build. But, like, he's gonna have a mentality that you want in a late round pick because you want those guys to, like, to increase the competition level because, you know, you you don't want just, like, some scrubs that are gonna just kinda be there in camp and then get caught. Like, you want them to be able to push the guys ahead of them. And, you know, if it works out for one of them, so be it. Like, that that's great for them. I don't think either of those guys are gonna are gonna work out, unfortunately, but, like, yeah, I think I like of those the later picks, I think Scott Garrett Howard has a chance. Now but I will say the one that I did like a lot was was Abney. Like, Keith Abney was Yeah. Like, I I love watching that guy. Yeah. I love watching that guy in, you know, in the lead up to the draft. I think fifth round value for him is is amazing. You know, highly competitive will will, like I said, will elevate the room even as a fifth round rookie, like, just with his mindset and, like, how hard he plays. You know? Is he gonna be a starter? Probably not in year one, but he I think he has, like I just love watching him play, you know. So, like, there's something

Speaker 4: to be honest. This because because I've had a lot of a lot of guests on post draft, and everybody, to a man, has identified Keith Adney as, like, the best fifth round pick. Any idea why he fell so far?

Speaker 5: Do you mind if we just pause really quick? I got another guy coming at yeah. Sorry. I'll be I think we're going.

Speaker 4: Okay. Alright. So Keith had me. Why did he fall?

Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean any idea at all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it, like, I wouldn't be I mean, size, this is gonna make him fall. Right. You know, it's five ten, but just below buck ninety. Like, that's gonna make him fall. He's he's gonna probably be, you know, an inside guy. So, like, you're not gonna take a a nickel super high. But, you know, fall into the fit. I mean, I I I figured he would be a day three pick. So, like, I don't think that it was I think if he'd gone to, like, the sixth or seventh, then I would've been like, something something's up here. But, like, fourth round would have been really fine. Fifth is totally fine in my mind and and really great value in my opinion. I'm not so I'm not, like, totally shocked that he fell to the fifth. But, I mean, I think, like, yeah, he's, you know, you said it before, like, he's possibly the best fifth round pick in the draft. So, you know, I think you're gonna get a really, really tough competitor, just gonna bring the energy. And, you're gonna you're gonna really enjoy watching him, I think, you know, during the preseason. Like, he's gonna be a guy to follow just because I think he's gonna make some plays, you know, especially in those, like, early preseason games against, like, when he's playing other fifth round, sixth round, seventh round picks, like, he's he's gonna he's gonna look good. He's gonna look good.

Speaker 4: You know, I'm glad you brought that up because that is something that I think we struggle with as fans is to gauge, like, okay. He's a fifth round pick. And and look, he looks great in the preseason, but he's also playing against guys who are fifth round picks and might not make the team. That's an important Prisma. I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, and you're looking for later on picks, like, when obviously, if they just start playing earlier in those games, like, that's usually a good sign. You know, if they're not if they're not playing at all, that's usually a bad sign. Sign. So, like Mhmm. But, yeah, like, you gotta yeah. You're right. You have to kinda, you know, just be aware of the situation that the guy is playing in and, like, understand who he's going up against. You really you obviously if anybody who looks good, like, you just want them to look good, you know, because you you if they look good no matter who they're playing against, you know that things are probably going in the right direction. So, like, yes, you gotta temper a little bit probably early, but in reality, like, if if a guy's looking good, that's a that's a very good sign.

Speaker 4: Alright. Wanted to bring this up, and I I cleared this with you ahead of time. But Jack Campbell just got a massive contract extension. And back when he got drafted, he was not necessarily a popular pick at Exactly. I believe it was number 18 o. Like, you worked for the Cleveland Browns at that time in their scouting department. What was your impression and or the team's impression of Jack Campbell? Like, did they see him as somebody who could become, like, one of the the top linebackers in the league? And what was the draft sort of value for him?

Speaker 5: So I think, like, with with any kinda, like or with most, I think, inside linebackers take, like, Sonny Styles off the board because he's he's just, like, a different animal. Yeah. But with with most yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But with most inside linebackers, like, you know, you're gonna probably you you would, in a perfect world, probably want to hold off on drafting one of those guys in the first round, much like how it's kind of swinging back the other way now, but, like, how running backs like, the idea of, like, they're the running backs of the defense. Like, they get hit hard, like, every play. Their shelf life isn't as long for the most part. So, you know, do you really want to invest a first round pick in a guy who, like, odds are, you know, probably isn't gonna see the second contract with you. You know? So, like, you might have him for five years, you know, but, like, are you really gonna give him, you know, an extension? Now with Campbell, I think so I think the sentiment for us at least was similar to that. Like, you know, not that he was nobody thought he was a bad prospect. Just was he a first round pick? No. You know, I I I remember, like, you know and I don't think this was, like, a a shocker to anybody, but, like, you know, lines go running back, linebacker within six picks. It's like, what are we doing? Is this 1991, you know, kinda thing? You know? But, like 16. Yeah. So it's like, that was just an interesting strategy, and it has paid off extremely well. You know? They got the right guys, at those positions. And, I mean, yeah, Campbell's become, like, an animal. I just like, he's he he he was a good like, he was a good prospect. Was he probably, like, day two you know, now it's second, third round pick probably second round pick. But, like, day two guy, really, really good day two guy, you know, who can become a who who we thought probably could become a a capable, like, consistent player. Now he goes off and he becomes an all pro. You know? Like, is that what you expect? No. No. You know? But, like, you you expected to get a good player, but, like, it's it's obviously so far, it's worked out very well for for Alliance. And and Jett and Campbell got rewarded with this with this big contract, which, you know, again, for an inside linebacker, and he's playing a lot, you know, and the way that they they the lines are so unique how they played three linebackers a lot last year. You know, didn't have to go to nickel all the time, but, like, that's just a testament to how good, you know, he and the other guys are in coverage. So, like, you you clearly, like a lot of teams were wrong, and the fact that they thought he was probably just a good inside linebacker who, you know, might have to come off the field on third down, he doesn't have to. He he's proven to be better than what a lot of people saw, you know, in him coming out of college. And, yeah, it's worked out really well for him and for the Lions.

Speaker 4: So back in that draft, the Browns didn't have a first or a second round pick.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 4: So I want you what's it like when you're in the scouting department and you know that the first pick you're making is in the seventies? Like, how does that change your mindset if at all?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, so look. I mean, I wasn't the one making the decision, so I got I didn't have much to do, you know, the the that night. But right. Right. So, you know, yeah, I mean, it it makes night one a lot less a lot, like, more laid back. You know, we're kinda just hanging out if something if something were to happen, like, if some movers would be made, like, we were now granted, we just made the the Watson deal fairly soon soon before that. So, like, we didn't really have much to, like, move around with. So we're kinda stuck and, like, just waiting, you know, for that first pick, you know, on day two. Yeah. So, like, it's just I mean, that that was, like, my last draft with the team. So it was it was definitely, like, the it was the least, like yeah. Least exciting night one that, like, I think I had been a part of, understandably. But, like, yeah. You're you're kinda just waiting around, like, wait wait around that first night and, you know, also eating a lot of food sitting around. So, like, you know, you're not doing much. But, like, yeah, it it just it it was the bed that that was made for us. You know, and, like, you know, obviously, it obviously did not work out in the long run for for the team, but, like, yeah, it was, it was interesting. Scott. That's right. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be that's gonna be gonna be interesting this year, say the least. Again again, you know, they had a huge QB circus last year, and now it's gonna be maybe a bit toned down, maybe not. It's still gonna be crazy.

Speaker 4: Yeah. I I still don't get Dylan Gabriel. I just never will.

Speaker 5: Oh, oh, that's we could go into a whole you do a whole separate podcast on that. We might have to do that at some point.

Speaker 4: Just one last thing. Like, it's the end of May. Like, this is as far away from football as you get.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 4: When you were in the scouting department, what did you do at this time of year? Are you prewatching players, like, the the the did AB, Andrew Berry provide you with, like, guys with, like, a watch list for your like, what what goes on in the life of a scout at this point of the year?

Speaker 5: Yeah. So, you know, you're you're well, I'll I'll say it. You're counting down the days till the summer break. They're till the end of the the mandatory, like, final mini camp at the end of the year, and then you're everybody kinda goes their separate way for the summer. But before that, you know, so I was in the building all those years, which, like, is where I wanted to be. And you're, you know, you're going out to OTAs or, like, just a mini camp. You're going out to practice every day. You're getting what you can from that. Like, you wanna see development from, like, you know, you're gonna be second year players. You you wanna see the rookies, how they are fitting in. You know, if you got young quarterback or, like, a new new signings, like, you wanna see how they're fitting in. So, like, there is there is a lot to be, you know, gotten and taken away from during this portion of practice. You know, it's obviously it's it's not, you know, it's not gonna look like real football, but you can still get, you know, get some stuff out of it. Yes. There is, like, the road scout is more than the guys in the building, but, their do road scouts are doing, like, preseason reports, on, you know, the guys in their area that they're gonna go see in the fall, to get, like, a baseline grade on those guys and then, obviously, see how that changes once, you know, training camp starts and actually get into the school. So that that that those guys have a a bunch of work because, like, if you're in, you know, you have the Southeast, like, you know, those are a lot of lot of schools and a lot of players. So, like, there's a lot lot of work to be done. And then, you know, you're still in in the building. You're still kinda like you said, you're evaluating the current roster and the 90 get the man 90 man roster, you know, out of practice. But you're still, like, looking around for, you know, other other, you know, guys that are free agents. Like, if you guy have a workout brand guy in, you're always trying to, like, see if you need to churn the roster at all. Obviously, like, actually, the the like, the UFL now and, like, you know, the spring football, you're watching, like, those teams, you know, during their season, because, like, there's you know, whether they stick or not, they're likely not gonna stick. But, like, there's gonna be a crop of guys at the end of their season that come in for workouts then and potentially join your your squad for, you know, for camp. You know, so, like, there there is still a good amount of work to be done. That said, it is, like, it's very it's a lot chiller, like, a lot like, the the pressure is not on as much. You know, it's it's the hours are a little bit more normal for, like, normal jobs, which is which is good for, you know, family life, which is fun. Yeah. You get

Speaker 4: to see your kids, which is Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. And then, like yeah. Because then ultimately, like, you're you're you're counting down the days to to that end of the last, you know, mini camp, and you can get out of get out of town for a while. But, but there is there is work to be done. Like, you know, you're not just sitting around doing doing nothing. Like, there is some stuff to be done to get prepped for, the next cycle and, like, kinda get that

Speaker 4: started early. Yeah. And the phone never sleeps, my friend. Nope. Scott, what what are you working on? You you've got a fantastic substack that did leave. I I I I will point people you just did a thing on Brendan Sorsby, which should be interesting to everybody because he is a fascinating study and it it came out late this week that he did not get his eligibility. So it's, but any any anything else you're working on, summer scouting, stuff like that? What do you

Speaker 5: got coming down? Yeah. So yeah. So kinda what I talked about, like, with what the road guys would do. I mean, I'm starting with quarterbacks and I mean, because, I mean, who I think quarterbacks probably moved the needle the most in the in the offseason. But, but, yeah. But, yeah, like, just looking at some of the guys that, I hadn't looked at last year. I mean, there's, like, you know, a ton of guys who ended up coming back for another year, some surprisingly, some not so much. But, like so I'm gonna save those guys till till a little later, but, like, yeah, looking at quarterbacks that I haven't had to look at yet to get, like, a a first look and, you know, give some description on those guys. So, yeah, I did, Soresby, who obviously is gonna be, you know, in the mix here for 2026 NFL, but then, like, I just did, what, CJ Carr from Notre Dame and, Drew Messamaker from now Oklahoma State was at North Texas. He's Keep an eye on that guy. Keep an eye on that

Speaker 4: guy. Someone to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 5: I mean, I think I I think there's a legit like, he's gonna crash the Dante Moore, you know, arch Manning party, I think, and and he's gonna

Speaker 4: done that.

Speaker 5: He's gonna be you gotta keep an eye on that guy for sure.

Speaker 4: Their offense is a little wonky, but good to play. Yep.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. Good

Speaker 4: deal. Well, Scott, thanks for joining me. You've got a lot going on in your home life, so I I really appreciate you taking some time to to get with us on this.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Appreciate you, Jeff.

Speaker 4: Alright. And we'll, with that, we will call it a show. Jeff Risen signing out. Be good to one another, everybody. Thank you.