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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. Welcome to our backdrop. It is the Detroit Lions podcast, your Detroit Lions and Reddit connection. We have myself, mister Michael Gray, mister Scott Bischoff, and we are going to we're gonna have some fun, guys. Let's do a mock draft.

Speaker 4: Try to work our way down to 17, figure out what's there.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Good luck, everybody. I was

Speaker 4: I was gonna say it's I I don't remember a year where there were there's this much confusion. I was pouring over these things leading up to this, trying to look for some consensus on all the teams that I don't, you know, pay too much attention to, the Saints and whatnot. There's no consensus anywhere. I I mean, outside of number one, it gets weird right at number two.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Well, let's file into it. I have here the mock draft simulator Look at that. And we will do this. We're gonna do it manually. We are on the clock. We are not gonna do trades even though they might happen just because that gets, like so the first pick is Fernando Mendoza. I gotta figure out how to use this bad boy.

Speaker 4: Yeah. We can I think we can give Fernando to the Raiders fairly fairly easily?

Speaker 1: We will we will draft Fernando Mendoza quarterback to the Raiders. That's that's done. So the Jets at number two, old friend, Aaron Glenn,

Speaker 5: one of

Speaker 1: the old friends there.

Speaker 4: He's gotta get this one right.

Speaker 1: Right? Scott, what what are you thinking with this? It's gotta be one of the pass rushers, I would assume.

Speaker 5: You know? Yeah. But, like, does does anybody believe that that David Bailey's a really good fit for the kind of players that Aaron Glenn likes?

Speaker 1: He's got a little James Houston to him.

Speaker 5: But, like, is he is he is he gonna set the edge against the run? Is he gonna earn his right to rush the passer? You know what I mean? Is he gonna do the things that are required of of that position to Aaron Glenn's liking? And second to that is, does it even matter that is what I'm saying even relevant? Does Aaron does Aaron Glenn factor into this at all? Big picture, long term.

Speaker 4: Boy, good luck figuring that out, right, with the Jets. I mean, who the hell knows? We're gonna get the the Jets and the Browns, and you kinda go Yeah. My question, I guess, with that is, does it matter when Arvel Rees is sitting there? Anyway, what David Bailey can do aside, even if he's an edge setter, even if he can, crush cans and stop runs and all of that stuff, Does he give you the guy that can be the Swiss army knife multi tool that you've got with an Arvel Rees? And I just don't think I don't think he does.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Good as he may be.

Speaker 4: I think Arvel Rees might

Speaker 1: might be better at the final is is that Rees didn't rush the passer in college. Like, he never really played a lot of edge. He was he was a blitzer. Sonny Styles has as many sacks as he does in one quarter of the rush opportunities. So, you know, why wouldn't you take Sonny Styles? Apparently, they're not having that conversation in New York.

Speaker 5: It's it's just interesting. It's like neither of them really fit. That I think this is the problem at two is that neither of them really fit the profile of an Aaron Glenn defensive end type of player. Yeah. I don't I'm not gonna call Reece a project because I think that's super dismissive of of the things that he does well as a bit of an arm a Swiss army knife kind of player, but he's definitely not, you know, hey. Just go out there and and be a stand up defensive end and and anchor against Iran and is neither of them are like that. So I think we've all heard the speculation around David Bailey being yeah. At least know what you're getting, which is a guy with an with an elite, elite linear quickness and ability to rush the passer while being, somewhat a liability against the run, at least in college he was.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I

Speaker 5: don't know. I mean, I I think I would go more I would lean more Bailey, but only because I I think you do need to get some some sort of production out of pick number two. I don't know that you're gonna get a ton of production from Arvel Rees, but I could be on an island there. You know, this is it's weird. This is a tricky one, and we're talking about pick two. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. That that that's a good preface for this entire trip. Gray, what do you think? Which one do you wanna go with here?

Speaker 4: I mean, I I I tend to think he's gonna go with

Speaker 5: the bigger body. So I it's probably Bailey.

Speaker 1: I don't agree with that at all. So we will make it David Bailey. Arizona Cardinals on the clock. K. Could they take Reese? Could they take Love? Sonny Styles is here. They need all things defense, basically. Ruben Payne, Francis Mowen. Noah certainly should have some appeal here for their offensive line that always needs help.

Speaker 5: So Yeah. They have Paris Johnson, Junior as their left tackle, and I would think that right tackle would be a I mean, it it sort of fits. Maui Noah does. Are you hearing the rumors about the owner wanting the running back, though? I have

Speaker 1: heard that. And they are, they are another one of those teams where ownership can be meddlesome Yeah. And troublesome. Much like Cleveland where a homeless guy can tell you to draft your Auntie Manzelle, and the owner listens.

Speaker 4: Funny because it happened.

Speaker 1: That that did happen.

Speaker 4: I know. I know. It's it wouldn't be funny if it didn't. Exactly.

Speaker 1: That's really early for a running back, though. But, I mean, Jameer Gibbs has worked out pretty damn well. Bajan Robinson, we don't hear a lot about him, but he's pretty damn good. I mean, his floor as

Speaker 5: a player is really high. So I I would I would understand it while disagreeing with it, but it's like so are are we are we predicting what's going to happen, or are we trying to

Speaker 1: I think we're trying to predict what's going to happen. Okay. Because, yeah, that's probably the the safest way to go. And in this one, there's not a wrong pick here for Arizona.

Speaker 5: Like No. But this one holds the keys to the to really the top the the whole top 10. This one does.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And it could very well get treated. We've heard a lot of talk that, you know, Kansas City is looking to move up. Dallas is looking to move up. Yeah. The Rams could be looking to move way up to to land their guy. So that yeah.

Speaker 4: I

Speaker 1: think Reese or Love, although I I can't rule out Mowenow either because he is at least in my eyes, I think he's the best offensive lineman in this draft, and I think it's it's pretty clear that he is a step up from everyone else. And if you wanna get the best, then you're in a position to get the best here.

Speaker 5: Do we think the back thing plays into this at all?

Speaker 1: See, I don't know. I that's a hard one. That It's not like we're talking it's not we're talking about, you know, like it it's from my understanding, it's the same back injury that Sam Laporta has and had. And I think we're all pretty confident that Sam Laporta is gonna be just fine.

Speaker 5: Yeah. You would think so. He's he's so he has an asymptomatic herniated disc. That's that's the word. Yeah.

Speaker 4: That's a bunch of words.

Speaker 1: I don't

Speaker 4: know what most of them mean. The herniated disc part I've got. What's asymptomatic? Mine was very symptomatic. It shut down the left side of my body.

Speaker 5: Yeah. He was not feeling

Speaker 1: any You've you've got some experience with this, Grant.

Speaker 4: Yeah. And I still can't move my left leg as I used to. So I'm two years post op.

Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I've had it twice too, and it's it's a mess.

Speaker 4: I don't wanna oversimplify it, but isn't it just Bailey Reese in some order? Don't we think two three? Or does Yeah. Or does Arbel restart the entire thing off wrong by starting to drop down the board, and all of a sudden everybody's mock is in flames?

Speaker 5: Well, I I do think Reese is gonna fall down the

Speaker 1: board a little bit. If if there's one of

Speaker 5: these guys who will, I I think it's him.

Speaker 1: Interesting. I I don't disagree with that because and I wrote about this for for Real Jim. I'm like, nobody ever brings up the fact that he's never done any of the things that he is supposed to be fantastic at.

Speaker 5: Like He's everybody just assumes he's next he's the next Micah Parsons. Like, he alright. He's he's Micah Parsons. He's gonna do the same stuff. Whoever drafts him better have a plan. They better they better know exactly how they're gonna utilize him as a blitzer, as, you know, as a player who can who can do a variety of things. Because if you're if you throw him on the on the edge and ask him to rush the passer all the time, in year one, I don't know.

Speaker 1: You know? At two hundred and forty two pounds?

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4: That's a tough fit.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Alright. Let's let's let's have fun and make a Jeremiah Love. Is that good? Alright. Yes.

Speaker 4: That'd be the kind of thing

Speaker 5: where about what it's gonna look like.

Speaker 4: Everybody's had to be spinning by by pick three if they don't trade out.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. So pick four, we got the Titans.

Speaker 4: Let me ask you this real quick before we move on. Do you think Jeremiah Love's a better player than Bijon Robinson?

Speaker 1: I think they're certainly in the same ballpark, and and Gibbs is in that ballpark too. Okay. I would put Gibbs just a notch ahead because I think he's faster. But Yeah. They're all they're all damn good.

Speaker 5: Yeah. He he's awesome. Like, he's he's definitely in that in that conversation with both of those guys. Maybe between them? Is that fair?

Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. That could be fair. Okay.

Speaker 4: Alright. Now onto another first year head coach.

Speaker 1: The Titans. Yes. Rookie, coach, GM that, you know last year, they were very easy to read. Like, I actually think I've mocked correctly Tennessee's first three picks last year. Obviously, one was a given with with Cam Ward. Arbel Reese, again, makes a lot of sense here. Their their offensive tackle situation is actually okay. They could use another wide receiver. They could use a corner or two.

Speaker 5: They could use a pure left tackle.

Speaker 1: Yeah. They could.

Speaker 5: They have JC Latham starting at right tackle for them. I wanna say they have Dan Moore starting at left tackle.

Speaker 1: They do. The Dan Moore experience.

Speaker 5: I think, in some ways, though, I think Salah in in year one, how important is Fred Warner to Robert Salah? You know? Yeah. They wanted they wanted Tremaine Edmonds big time in in their in the draft, and they missed out on him in the consolation prize was Warner. So it makes me wonder, and we're and there is chatter about this. Is Sonny Styles a player that Arizona would want over over Reese just because of the of the known knowns around what what he can do for you as a player. I don't know.

Speaker 4: Well, there are more than a handful of people, looking at Styles as somebody potentially who could go to Tennessee. Everybody's got a a mock at this point, but there's a there's a handful of them that have them picking Styles. Now most of them have Reese off the board. Yeah. Right. But you certainly would think, you know, Salah is not gonna shy in a way, shy away rather from from a linebacker given his history and knowing how important that part of the defense is to how he wants to run things.

Speaker 5: Yeah. And if we had done this in reverse and given Reese to pick two, I think Bailey would be a slam dunk here for for the Titans.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with that. They need that downstream to choose. Destroy the top four kind of, so to speak. But Yeah.

Speaker 5: Jeff, what do you think?

Speaker 1: I I I think I can see Salah falling in love with Reese because he can be that linebacker that Gray was talking about, but he can also, you know, develop as a pass rusher. So I Just to move forward. The New York Giants. I have said insisted, actually, from the combine, the Sonny Styles was gonna be their pick. If y'all wanna disagree with that, let me have

Speaker 4: it. No. I don't, I don't have a single opposition to that.

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Speaker 1: I mean,

Speaker 4: if he's there and he's available, like, I I would I would think they'd walk that card up pretty quick.

Speaker 5: Is receiver a consideration here? It could be, but

Speaker 1: is John Harbaugh gonna value Carnell Tate? Or is he gonna value anybody higher than he will value a future Pro Bowl, all pro Mike linebacker that he's always had in his defenses? Yeah. Unless he's taking Caleb Downs,

Speaker 5: which That's exact that's so that's the next question. Is is Downs a player he might want more than Styles? Right?

Speaker 1: I yeah. I I kinda think of what Do you?

Speaker 5: I do. Yeah. I do. Gray?

Speaker 1: Where you at? I mean,

Speaker 4: I tend to I I think of those Ravens defenses and I without something in the middle of that thing as a linebacker, I think Styles makes a ton of sense. You could talk me I don't think there's a wrong answer.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Let's

Speaker 4: You you could talk me into downs, but, I mean, Styles certainly fits what we've seen him do while while he was in Baltimore.

Speaker 5: Let's go, Styles.

Speaker 1: Alright. Let's do Sonny Styles.

Speaker 4: There's a lot of Columbus in this thing. How did they

Speaker 5: lose games?

Speaker 1: That's, their quarterback, who we're gonna be talking about in this iteration next year, and people are gonna be wondering why he's falling. Their wide receivers are ridiculous, though. It's crazy to me that Carnell Tate was probably the third best wide receiver on that team, and we're talking about him potentially going right here to the Cleveland Browns at number six. Insane.

Speaker 4: Yeah. We're barring trades, because this is where I expect on Thursday night. This is where I expect things to get weird. Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 4: I I would I would anticipate not I would anticipate Cleveland, a, doing something, and b, that thing being the wrong thing. So, I think the combination of those two things probably You're

Speaker 5: on on a limb there, Greg.

Speaker 4: Well yeah. Right? What is that? Past or not? It's not a guarantee of future something. Yeah. I I think Cornell Tate yeah.

Speaker 1: My so

Speaker 5: I I agree.

Speaker 1: I I do think this pick is gonna wind up getting traded, whether it's the nine or 12 or 13 or whatever. But in that sense, Cardinal Tate makes a lot of sense. But I have been told by a few people there that they have a lot of interest in Monroe Freeling. Maybe not at six, though.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 1: And from a lion standpoint, that's very significant because Yeah. I don't know about you guys, but I think he is one of the, if not the, top choice at 17 if he's there. And this is perhaps the biggest impediment to him getting there.

Speaker 4: If if Mowenow is on the board, does Freeling go ahead of him in Cleveland's eyes?

Speaker 5: So they didn't they just they just, signed they just gave Titus Howard, pretty good money to play right tackle for them.

Speaker 1: They did.

Speaker 5: They have DeJuan Jones, but he's been banged up as their left tackle, and it just you know?

Speaker 1: DeJuan Jones is what happens when Caleb Proctor keeps eating.

Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah. More on that in a bit. Yes. So that's kinda how they're gonna have to play this. If they want tackle and receiver, how you how you balancing that out with your first two picks? Or is Caden Proctor a a part of this solution?

Speaker 1: He could be. He he can play left tackle. Yeah. That's there's certainly how some teams see him.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Tate, though, they they are so desperate for wide receivers. So I was I was watching they had their, OTAs today, and it was open to the public or the media. And they're they're showing Dylan Gabriel and Shidoor Sanders throwing. And, like, I used to cover this team. Like, I'm still pretty close to the Browns. I'm looking at their wide receivers. I'm like, I have no clue who that freak dude is. Like, who are they passing to?

Speaker 5: Yeah. Maybe it's just as simple as giving them tape here and moving on.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's do that. Not sold that it would happen, but they they certainly should have interest in him. We're setting up for

Speaker 4: a really fun run on tackles. Yes. We are.

Speaker 1: And, I don't think it's gonna start here, though, with Washington, the commanders who are no doubt livid that Jeremiah Love is off the board. Yeah. Too bad.

Speaker 5: Yeah. This would be Caleb Downs. Right?

Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah. That's what I that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1: That one

Speaker 4: feels You don't

Speaker 1: need to spend time on that. That that's good for Ray. They desperately need him. The Saints. Now they could go offensive line here. They could also go Ruben Bane, and Ruben Bane would make a ton of sense, especially if Cam Jordan is not coming back in Dust Point. He is still not signed.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Ruben Baden was gonna be my name for the Saints.

Speaker 5: What about wide receiver?

Speaker 1: So that's the other one. Could they take they have Crystal Lave. Yep. With their Ohio State passed, but they, is is, McCoy. Not McCoy. Look at the wrong thing here. Sorry. I got distracted. You got Jordan Tyson. I'm trying to think of the injured guy. He's injured a lot too.

Speaker 5: Yeah. He's been talked about as a top 10 player.

Speaker 1: And he or if he's healthy, he's yeah. Yep. Go go back to Arizona State's run to their title run season where they, you know, they they made it into the CFP. Like, he was unreal. Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah. And he'd be a nice he would it would be a nice pairing with him in the lobby. Yeah. For Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1: And then you can maximize Tyler Shuck who's he could play. Yeah. Like, dude, you can play. Yep. Alright. Let's take, let's do that. Let's Jordan Tyson, wide receiver, Arizona State.

Speaker 4: For the record, I love how this is going so far for 17.

Speaker 1: It it is going well. It is indeed. And and

Speaker 4: I wanna I wanna make sure everybody who's paying attention, knows we're we're not doing this to try to set up the best possible situation at seventeen. It just happens to be happening.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It does. Let's look on here. Yeah. Alright. We are at the Kansas City Chiefs, and I am looking at Ruben Bane, looking at Mansour Delaine, Dylan Thieneman. They need all these spots.

Speaker 5: Yeah. They need right tackle

Speaker 1: too. Yeah. So that that would be. That's Or Fanon. Fanon also because he gives you the positional flexible. I guess, technically, Mawa noah does too. He he came into guard, but I think Fano can play any of the five spots on the offensive line.

Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I just think about the all of the outside zone zone stuff that they run and thinking about a player like Fanon playing right tackle who and it two ways, who can get out into space and just run his feet and make blocks on on targets in space, really good for their their ground game, but also the foot quickness, the speed, all that stuff to be able to hang with with pass rushers because of his ability to move, very intriguing for the Kansas City offense. On the other hand, they just traded, they just traded McDuffie to the Rams and picked up an on a a late first rounder, but Mansoor Delaine is sitting right here and

Speaker 1: really good player. So Yes. He is.

Speaker 5: You know,

Speaker 1: situation Any any thought to Bane or Delaney or Tiananmen could go here, Fano? Yeah. I mean, I All of them.

Speaker 4: Yeah. It could be any

Speaker 1: of them. It it could be any of these guys.

Speaker 4: Mansoor I mean,

Speaker 1: any wide receivers too. Makai Lemmon makes some sense there too.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Mansoor, Delaine, or Mau and Noah feel it feels like it's gotta be one of those two guys just from a from a value need, all of the things aligning, and just dependent upon, you know, what they judge their what they're judging their their biggest needs to be. It's just I don't know how often you get c b one falling falling to you almost out of the top 10.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 4: That doesn't happen a ton.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And and so so let's spin it forward too. They also have picked I think it's thirty? Twenty nine thirty?

Speaker 5: Twenty nine. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And that range, you're probably still going to get an offensive lineman, whether it be Cabbalomu or Maxi Heineker. And comparing them to what might be available at cornerback there, you could have Chris Johnson, I guess. McCoy is probably there. You know? When we think about that,

Speaker 5: they're so good at at finding these corners late.

Speaker 4: They are

Speaker 5: just They are. They are great at it. So I would say, you know, for our purposes, give them a tackle. Even if we like the lane a lot there, maybe giving them the tackle is just the safest play.

Speaker 1: Alright. So do we wanna go Maui Noa, or do we wanna go Fano?

Speaker 4: I think it's Maui Noah.

Speaker 1: There you go. Alright. Let's do it. Yeah. I'm with it. The New York Giants, their second pick. Earlier, they took Sonny Styles. They need wide receiver, something fierce. They also could use I mean, again, there isn't a team in the league that couldn't use offensive line. So now they they are weird in that they don't really need a pass rusher unless they are, for sure, trading Kevon Thibodeaux for a third, fourth round pick.

Speaker 4: I think they need a pass rusher if they're keeping him.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Might be why they trade him. Good point. Well, great. Where's your head at here with the Giants? Man.

Speaker 4: It I mean, they they could go, I mean, they could go a million directions. And Delaine's still sitting there. They could take a flyer on him. Keldrick Falk could enter the chat at that point. Oh god. Who I I mean, Makai Lemmon, you mentioned him. Fano Senna

Speaker 1: is there.

Speaker 4: Like, Peter Peter Woods is still up, you know, as a d lineman. Do they wanna do something with that? I mean, they gotta replace old boy that's in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1: Yeah. They did just make a giant holder. Literally.

Speaker 4: Yes. So, you know, that

Speaker 1: Yeah. We're getting down pretty deep there.

Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah. I I don't, I

Speaker 1: don't I don't have

Speaker 4: a lot of bad answers. I don't I I don't imagine that they're gonna take a a flyer on a on a Reuben Bain just given his let's call them intangibles,

Speaker 1: for the first year with Harbaugh in there, trying

Speaker 4: to get that locker room right.

Speaker 1: I don't know.

Speaker 5: Does it feel like Delaine might be the pick here?

Speaker 1: They're not their secondaries oh, like, I I would think, honestly, they would maybe look at Tiananmen

Speaker 5: Yep. There. Yeah. Because he can use but, like, if he's if he's a dude yeah.

Speaker 1: And look and look what you've done then if you've added Sonny Styles and Dylan Deneman. Like, the middle of the field defense, which has always been the hallmark of the Harbaugh Ravens, like Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Got it.

Speaker 4: Some juice in the back seven for

Speaker 1: sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4: I'd be okay with that. Alright.

Speaker 1: Let's take guillotine them in here.

Speaker 4: I I don't think that there's so many right answers. It's hard to it's hard to focus on just one.

Speaker 1: It it really is, isn't it? It's it's kind of a strange draft that way. Yep. And we are up to the Miami Dolphins who have a lot of needs, wide receiver. They have to replace Larry Boron, believe it or not. Jeff.

Speaker 5: Sorry.

Speaker 1: You're good. They need, although so I was looking at it earlier. I I'm doing my my real mock draft that's gonna publish at Real GM tomorrow, if I ever finish it. And I was looking at their cornerbacks and their wide receivers, and, like, their wide receiver room like, you could tell me that's a UFL team, and I would believe you. Like, it's so rough.

Speaker 5: Is this Makai Lemon territory?

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Speaker 1: It can be. Now I think it's delaying. The yeah. Then the thing is you're talking about a former Packers regime here now, and the Packers had their standards for whatever for better and for worse. You know, you never take a corner that's under six feet. You never take a an edge that can't run four eight. You know, just weird benchmarks. You never take anybody over 23 years old ever.

Speaker 5: Delaine

Speaker 1: Delaine helps them a lot in a in a in a division that they're in. I know the Jets didn't have a passing touchdown to a wide receiver last year, but they have some potential if they ever get a quarterback. Then you got the Patriots with Drake May, and it feels like they're gonna have better weaponry. It sounds like AJ Brown will be there after June 1. That's, Yeah.

Speaker 5: Well, I think for me is, is there a reason to take a long term tackle here and just sort of bite the bullet on it?

Speaker 1: You could. Fano is very appealing. Freelance is very appealing here. Yeah. Again, this is another one to Grace's point that he's made a couple times. Then you're right. There there isn't a bad choice here. It's just what flavor are you gonna choose when when you get those sample spoons?

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 4: I like I said, I'd that feels like a spot. You look at the fact that Delaine's still sitting there and That's a great call too. And you walked the card up. You're like, okay. He fell to us. We'll figure the rest out later. Yeah.

Speaker 5: What about Bain staying in Miami right now? That's the that's the the

Speaker 1: That and that's not a bad idea, because I

Speaker 5: I'm a really good football player.

Speaker 1: He he's a great football player. He's I think he's my number three or four player in this class. I wanna have my big board up in front of me. But, yeah, he's he's a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 5: And they do need that, Emmett. Come off.

Speaker 1: They got rid of of Jalen Phillips. Yep. Have they replaced him? Really? Yeah. He does and other than arm length, he does fit all of the quote, unquote Packard standard Packard standards. Yeah. Yeah. That hopefully and and their GM would do. So let's take Reuben Bain here. I like Reuben Bain. Good player. Good freaking football player. Yep. Draft good football players. Jerry Jones, you're on the clock. Alright. Guys, this screams, man, Stuart Delaney. Yes. End of discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Like that one. We needed a freebie. The Los Angeles Rams are on the clock. They they are in an interesting spot here because they are not necessarily drafting for 2026, if at all.

Speaker 4: Yeah. What do they wanna help their offense with? A tackle or a wideout? Right.

Speaker 5: So, knowing knowing that neither one

Speaker 1: of them is gonna start this year. Like, this is their starting '22 is is there. Like

Speaker 4: right?

Speaker 5: Yeah. They're pretty comfortable with their right tackle right now. I know they're they're starting right tackle retired, but their number two, they're very comfortable with him. They think he's fine. So I don't know it's an absolute necessary, like, gotta have a right tackle. I think it's more receiver.

Speaker 4: In which case, you got a kid from town Yeah. Who's sitting there in LA.

Speaker 1: Yep. Makai Lemmon. Reminds me a ton of Golden Tate. I don't know about you, Steve.

Speaker 5: God. It is you cannot watch Makai Lemmon and not see Golden Tate. Think Matthew Stafford would like having Golden Tate again? Just a little.

Speaker 1: Let's make McKay Lemmon the pick. Alright. Alright. The Baltimore Ravens with a new regime for the first time in forever. Well, technically, their their GM's still there, but no Harbaugh. We've got an offensive coach, Jesse Minter. Is he gonna have their their needs see, I I disagree with assessment of their needs here, quite frankly. I don't think that well, not that there's a wide receiver that they would take here. I think they think they're better at wide receiver than that. Yeah. But we're looking right now. And three of the top four players that are available are Spencer Fondo, Monroe Freeling, and and, Venga Iwanee. If history is any guide there or gonna address that. Now they have tight ends that are aging. Could Kenya and Sadiq be the piece?

Speaker 5: What about Vega there?

Speaker 4: Yeah. Vega feels like a raven. Now I I say that John Harbaugh is no longer there. Yeah. So, you know Right. I don't I don't know how much of that identity they're gonna hold on to. If John Harbaugh were still in Baltimore, I would say I would say, Iowan a, walk away. Yeah. I agree with that.

Speaker 1: Let's let's make it Iowan a just because this is making it even better for the Lions. Sure.

Speaker 4: Again, we're

Speaker 1: what we didn't set out to make this, like, cherry pick for the Lions, but this like, I don't think we've made any implausible picks. Do you guys?

Speaker 5: No. No. And, honestly here

Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5: We were gonna have a pretty spirited conversation, I'm sure, about whether or not Vega would have fit in Detroit. So Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yep. Alright. Alright. We move on. I don't know about Vega here as even Larry Orford. I agree, but the NFL does not, apparently. If I were taking a guard in this draft, I would take well, nothing against I wanna he's a perfectly fine player, but I would roll actually with Caden Proctor's upside, or I would take Jake Chase Bozanes. That that's just Yeah.

Speaker 5: It's just it's more the Jared Goff likes to step up into the pocket. He's not leaving pockets. He wants to step up. The more you keep pass pro locked up in front of him, the more comfortable he's gonna be, the more efficient your offense will be. You do that by really bolstering guard play. That's that's the whole it doesn't matter if it's Vega or Basantes or who you know, it could be a bunch of guys.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. We'll look it down here now. We are at 15. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers just had Andrew Harbaugh, the managing editor of of Bucks Wire on. We also had Luke Easterling, who now lives in Washington, but has covered the Bucks for years and is from there. And they were both on well, I'd actually, I phrased the I posed to them Kenya and Sadiq. Right? And they've all sort of pushed back, and I was a little taken aback by that. Really? Yeah. But I I see he's he makes a ton of sense here.

Speaker 4: Because that was my answer. That one felt like a layup.

Speaker 1: Yeah. The other one and and Andrew brought this up. Akeem Mesador makes a lot of sense. Keldrick Falk makes a lot of sense for them. And he brought up specifically that Falk would be somebody that would interest them because their GM, Jason Light, has swung and missed and swung and missed and swung and missed a lot at Edge. Much like the Lions, they keep trying with dudes, and they just don't work for whatever reason, whether it's injury or they're slow or whatever. I I do think it's gonna be Edge or Sadiq.

Speaker 4: Yeah. And, I mean Give him

Speaker 5: a rest

Speaker 1: of the door.

Speaker 4: It'd be comfortable with give him com comfortable with his age. I know we're gonna get used to that, and Brad's already talked about it a little bit because of the way college football is now.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait till next year. Actually, wait till the year after that.

Speaker 4: For somebody that swung and missed at edge and I don't know. I feel like Saddiq is there's there's less of the swing and miss. But if the local guys are onto it, and and we'll get to that because the local guys, I think, in Detroit are onto some stuff too that the Nationals just aren't. But Saddiq felt felt like an easy one to me.

Speaker 1: But if

Speaker 4: they're not feeling that.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And, they did just sign I can't think of who their blocking tight end is to to a a weirdly above market deal. But Hey, Dutton? Yes. Thank you. That's who it was. I don't know. I Mesador, like, he's ready to play. He's a good football player.

Speaker 4: Yeah. He's almost 30.

Speaker 5: He's an old man.

Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. I mean, yeah,

Speaker 4: you can give him Mesador. He's

Speaker 1: Alright. Let's do Akeem Mesador here. The New York Jets were back. Again, they don't need offensive line help. That's so weird.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: They're a terrible team, but they don't need I mean, they could.

Speaker 4: And in the You

Speaker 1: could you could always upgrade. Spencer Fano would certainly make a ton of sense here.

Speaker 4: In the real world, if this fell this way, this is when somebody's on the phone to the Jets, knowing they gotta get in front of the Lions and offering them whatever they need to to to make that jump. Yes. Right? That's that's when that's when Aaron Glenn's gonna Ben Johnson the Lions and and owes everybody by trading out of that spot.

Speaker 5: But in this scenario, there's I think it's Keldrick Folk at pick 16 who they would just be happy to have.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's see. They took David Bailey earlier. So just a couple of pertinent things with the Jets. They did not have a wide receiver catch a touchdown last year, and they did not intercept a single pass all season.

Speaker 5: Okay. So we're gonna go receiver.

Speaker 4: So they don't catch things is what you're saying? Anything. Exactly. Defense, defense, nobody can catch anything.

Speaker 5: Oh, Mark Cooper.

Speaker 4: So is it is it Jordan Tyson or is it, Jermott McCoy? Who do you want to catch stuff? Offense or defense?

Speaker 1: The thing with McCoy is is that he's hurt all the time. Right. Or it it could be damaged goods now.

Speaker 4: Sure.

Speaker 5: Is Tyson Tyson's gone in our exercise. Right?

Speaker 1: Yes. He is. He went, I think, ninth, just to review.

Speaker 4: Alright.

Speaker 1: Eighth, he went to the Saints. I'd like to pick too.

Speaker 5: I think our Omar Cooper would fit just fine here.

Speaker 1: Omar Cooper. What is it? Do you think that's rich for him, Gray?

Speaker 4: I mean, maybe maybe a little is the Jets, though. So you kinda gotta throw anything like logic out the window. Is this no. I can't remember.

Speaker 1: The Falk is there.

Speaker 4: Is Reuben Bain still there? Is, Bane is off. He's got off. Okay.

Speaker 1: The the top the top players listed by Spencer Fano, Monroe Freeling, Kenyon Sadik, Jermaine Pavlovic, CJ Allen, linebacker in the middle of that defense. They're okay there. Emmanuel McNeil Warren, BMW, the master of the peanut punch. Got Kendrick Falk, Avion Terrell. Avion Terrell is the sort of dog type corner that I could see AG loving.

Speaker 4: I was gonna say, can he play man all the time forever? Because he can.

Speaker 1: The question of, can he play inside or outside? Right.

Speaker 5: He just he he tested so poorly.

Speaker 1: He did. What's weird is that the Cliffs of people were like, he actually tested faster than we thought he would.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 5: It was ugly. That's not good. Numbers.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Blake Miller's here. Caden Proctor's here.

Speaker 4: Oh, there's a pile of alignments in here the way this thing fell.

Speaker 1: There really are.

Speaker 4: Which is why, like I said, I I think their phone just melts into the desk.

Speaker 1: Yeah. With the 20 and down. This would be where Howie Roseman calls and says, hey. I'm giving you whatever you want, and I'm taking Caden Proctor. Exactly. Seems to be the the hot, hot, hot rumor.

Speaker 5: So let's make that part of this is that we're gonna assume, you know, if we can, some of these guys were are going to be gone. Right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. But would you would would would anybody in the NFL take Caden Proctor over Spencer Fano? I don't know the answer to that. Gray?

Speaker 5: Scott? On, man. It depends on, the kind of scheme you run.

Speaker 4: Well and how far in love with his freaky workout you are. Alright. 30 what was it? 32 inch vert at three fifty eight? That's not normal. That's that's Yeah. Marvel character stuff. You know, and some I know in my time in Seattle at the time, it was the spark scores. The Nike Spark scores were something they paid a ton of attention to. So there are gonna be some front offices that just look at the the measurables and throw out the fact that he spends a lot of time jogging and or on the ground in Tuscaloosa and and just look at this massive human. Now I'm I'm I've been pretty consistent with this. I'm allergic to anybody in the first round where you're throwing out the positional change contingency. We're like, yeah. I mean, worst case he plays guard. Well, then draft a damn guard. You know? I just that that that's a huge red flag for me. If he's not a lockdown on the end at right or left tackle, I don't know. That stuff makes me nervous. But somebody somebody take them and, you know, I mean, wouldn't surprise me if if it were the Eagles trying to get up there. For the purposes of this one, if you're sticking with if you're sticking with the Jets, oh, I don't know. What's AG want for his defense? He needs a little bit of everything. Yeah. You know, is this where they take Saddiq and add a freaky offensive weapon?

Speaker 5: So they just drafted Mason Taylor last year in the second round.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They did. Jason, that's fun. That's what all you need to know about. I don't know. Oh, man. If we're making this pick for the Jets, it's not gonna be an offensive lineman. But, Gray, I think you're I think you're spot on, man. I think this is where the phone is just blowing up. Oh, yeah. Question. And

Speaker 4: Is this is this I mean, if it's the Jets, do you take Boston? You could. You know, do you add a a pass catcher that way?

Speaker 1: Denzel Boston. He I I do think he's going in the first round. I have him as Cleveland's next pick.

Speaker 4: Right. Because

Speaker 1: they didn't go wide receiver in my final mock. First, they took Freeling. But I, in this one see, I I'm just looking at some of these names. I mean, Heinecker is he could be a lot of these guys could be in the first round. Lomu could be in the first round. Yeah. Ty Simpson, I don't think is gonna be in the first round. There's a lot of run about D'Angelo Ponce moving way up. I don't really buy that.

Speaker 4: What could be see that with the Jets?

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Chris Johnson, maybe. That that's really early for Chris Johnson. Not that he's or or Colton Hood, but they're both good players. And, again, the Jets also have if we scroll down here, I didn't do multiple rounds, they have 35, I think. They they have one of the very early picks in the second round, which is an area where you can get one of these cornerbacks. Right. Yeah. Do we wanna force the trade here?

Speaker 5: Sure.

Speaker 1: Alright. And then would it be Fano, Freeling, or Procter?

Speaker 4: Well, it's the Eagles. Right? We're trading with the Eagles? Yeah. They're gonna do the thing that's gonna hurt me

Speaker 1: the most. So that would be Fano or Freleng?

Speaker 4: I think, for me, it's Fano. Now that's gonna leave the lions with a fun choice. Either way, if it falls this way, they can't they can't wreck it, which is nice.

Speaker 1: That's true.

Speaker 4: But they probably can take, the guy that would be they're gonna take the guy that would be my favorite. I just know they are because they're the Eagles and they ruin everything. So

Speaker 1: Skye, you good with Fano being the Eagles pick here?

Speaker 5: Yes. For sure.

Speaker 1: He makes a lot of sense because they can like, they need they do need eventual successors for Lane Johnson and on the inside too. Let's make it Spencer Fano. Right. Which takes us to the Detroit Lions, 17. Let's look at the board. Monroe Freeling, Kenyan Saddiq, Jermoud McCoy, CJ Allen. I don't think the lines are gonna have interest in an off ball linebacker there, especially since Jack Campbell hasn't been paid yet. Like, that would be sending a very poor message

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: In my opinion. EMW, Keldrick Falk, Blake Miller. I think we can probably end the or Caden Proctor. That probably ends the the player pool that we're looking at there realistically. In no particular order, Miller, Proctor, Falk, Freeling. That's probably it. I mean, I I I can't Greg, I don't think they're taking a tight end. Do you?

Speaker 4: No. And for this exercise, of course, you never know getting into this thing, but I this came out easier than I thought it was going to. Obviously, there are gonna be some other trades that are gonna shake this up in in reality on Thursday. But things falling like this, I think you walk the Freeling card up and just feel good about everything. And you put him next to his old buddy in Ratledge, and off you go.

Speaker 1: That works for me. Scott, where are you?

Speaker 5: I am very, very happy with this.

Speaker 1: We will also vote for proxy for Russ who couldn't join us tonight because he's he's busy coaching.

Speaker 4: He's been on the Freeling bus since, like, November. Yes.

Speaker 1: Yes. He did.

Speaker 4: He was the first one to mention that kid.

Speaker 1: Alright. We're gonna make Russ' dreams come true. He'll be so happy

Speaker 5: when he

Speaker 1: gets home tonight. Monroe Freeling. Let's do the Vikings since since they are within the division. I'm somewhat shocked at how many needs they have for being a a I mean, they they were they finished better than us last year. I don't know really how that happened. But

Speaker 4: Yeah. It happened on Christmas day. I don't wanna think about it.

Speaker 5: That was the, the Brosmer game.

Speaker 1: Yeah. So you got I don't know. Is it

Speaker 4: is it is it Caden McDonald? Is it Peter Woods?

Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you're looking they could use Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Yep. Harrison Smith isn't gonna play forever. If Philbinism is not

Speaker 4: there, like, he's not there, do they reach for a safety,

Speaker 1: Or

Speaker 4: do they put something big up front? I mean, they tend to think they put something big up front.

Speaker 1: But I mean, Keldrick Falk, think about him with and what he can do moving all over the line Yeah. For for that defense. What do you think, Scott?

Speaker 5: Pardon me,

Speaker 1: I don't know that Kendrick Foulk

Speaker 5: fits the Flores mold of players. I don't know. It's g m. Emmanuel McNeil Warren makes makes sense to me, but he's not a a deep field safety like some, like, what they might be looking for. I wonder this is maybe this is just crazy thinking, but I Hawkinson's on the very end of his he's on the last legs there. Yes. He is. Like, literally. Is Sadik a player that might help him?

Speaker 1: If you're gonna lean into make doing whatever you can with your offense, whether it's, you know, there there's a lot of talk that JJ McCarthy is gonna get traded this weekend. I don't necessarily believe that.

Speaker 4: But Right.

Speaker 1: Oops. Yeah. You know, Soneek would maximize what you do. And, like, just from a lion standpoint, how do you defend that when they've got they've got Addison? They've got just Jefferson. Yeah. Their running backs are like, they're okay. They're they're not slouches. Yeah. Assuming Christian Daresaw is okay at left tackle, they're good offensive line wise.

Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the way you beat that if they don't address a defensive tackle position is to keep their offense off the field by running it in their faces.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Which, I mean, was likely the plan anyway, but they make it easier if they don't do something with their middle and their defensive line.

Speaker 1: So Then you got Keith McDonald. You got,

Speaker 5: Is there talk about one of their edge their edges getting, getting traded during the draft?

Speaker 1: There's always something going on with them. Right.

Speaker 5: You know? So embarrassing.

Speaker 4: Old school. I respect

Speaker 1: it. I did too, man.

Speaker 5: Well, I This is the this just for you guys, this is the call I was telling you I might get. Yeah. Towards the end of this.

Speaker 1: Well, luckily, we made it. Yes. We are almost done. Let's what do we do with them here? Do we wanna give them CJ Allen? I mean, they're

Speaker 4: I mean, Caden McDonald makes a ton

Speaker 1: of sense. Caden McDonald. Yeah. He's he's a good one.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Let's do Caden McDonald.

Speaker 5: Might Steady Vince James. TJ Parker would have been fine. If they're losing

Speaker 1: yeah. Yeah. That makes sense too. Yeah. Let's just end this here so Scott can take his call. But, also, when we've gotten through the lines, that's all we really care about.

Speaker 4: And and that was easy. And, like, if it goes that well on Thursday, I'm a be very, very happy come Friday.

Speaker 5: Yes.

Speaker 1: I think we all will. And, honestly, no matter what they would choose, if they were take to take Blake Miller there, if if the Lions were to take Caden Proctor there, like, it's not a bad decision. Right. My feelings about Proctor aside, like, he's a good football player. He can be anyways. I I certainly see the vision. Blake Miller is that's that's where you go if you know that Pena is moving to the left side. If you know. If you know.

Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4: I feel like we know. But

Speaker 1: I feel that way too.

Speaker 4: I feel

Speaker 1: I feel like It's not necessarily what

Speaker 5: it is. Really wanted to

Speaker 4: do it. I was like, okay. Then well, there it is. He's like, I'd really like to do that. Like, so Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1: Let's go let me

Speaker 5: go through guys.

Speaker 1: Let's go through where we're at here. I'm just a draft. One, Mendoza. Two, David Bailey. Three, Jeremiah Love. Tennessee took our Val Reese. Sonny Styles to the Giants. Cardinal Tate to the Browns. Caleb Downs to the Commanders. I almost called them the old name. Saints took Jordan Tyson, Chiefs take Francis Mauna Loa, Dylan Tieneman goes to the Giants, and somewhere BZ screams.

Speaker 4: Yeah. And we got

Speaker 1: we got the guy on

Speaker 4: the Sorry, buddy. Yeah. Our Slack channel.

Speaker 1: He's a he's a favorite of a couple of people in the Slack. BZ Bing mode. Burn the place down if that happens. Most verbal one. At least he looks a good player. Like, my team's they have a good football player. Ruben Bane to the Dolphins. Mansoor Delaney to the Cowboys. Makai Levin to the Rams. We got, Vega Iwanee to the Ravens. Hakeem Mesidore to the Buccaneers. Boy, that that pick to me feels like the one that really sets the lions up for success. Even more than if they were to take Kanyan Sainig there.

Speaker 4: And the Jets up for a big trade.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And it definitely helps the Spencer Fano following this far, that might not be super realistic, but, like, again, what picks did we make here that aren't plausible, if not, you know, real potential?

Speaker 4: You know? I I don't

Speaker 1: I don't think we cherry picked much here, honestly. Yeah. And then you get to, Monroe Freeland, the Detroit Lions. Yep. It's good stuff.

Speaker 4: A lot of Georgia on that front line.

Speaker 1: There is. Good school. Take take take players from good schools. Take good football players from good schools.

Speaker 4: They, they had the stats come out today. He's taking, Brad Holmes taking more players from the SEC than anywhere else. So

Speaker 1: He was an area scout there. Fits the mold. It does. Guys, I think we did it.

Speaker 5: Alright. We did it

Speaker 4: in under an hour. Mission a

Speaker 5: good deal.

Speaker 1: Perfect. Awesome. Thank you everyone for joining along, for liking and subscribing, for joining us on this one. We will have the live show Thursday night. I don't know if either of you will be there. I will be I don't either. Yeah. Not sure.

Speaker 4: Two more two more sleeps into the draft.

Speaker 5: We'll talk. Yes. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1: Guys, this was fun.

Speaker 5: Thanks, guys.

Speaker 4: For joining me. It's good.

Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Thanks for having us.

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